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    Default Re: Block Heater Question???

    Quote Originally Posted by RoyJackson View Post
    I'm very interested to see how this works out for you. I've read bad things about some of those external oil pan heaters (mostly the magnetic type, IIRC).

    Since my tractor is in a garage (under the house) most of the time, I don't have a heater. However, there are times I leave the machine outside and have considered adding a heater.
    this one isn't the magnetic type, it uses adhesive to adhere to the pan.. I have used a similar style heater as this wolverene on my satellite dish for about 4 years. it had always worked wonderfully....no snow on the dish. This thing gets too hot to touch in about 5 seconds after plugging it in. it sticks to the pan and is heat siliconed along the outside so its about the thickness of 8-10 sheets of notebook paper.

    I too have tried the magnetic ones..they suck. I have one on my generator for the past 10 years, and it is still working, but that oil pan only holds 1-1/2 quarts of oil..... using one of them for a tractor engine would be a waste of electricity indeed.
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    Just my two cents but on my p/u half an hour would probably be enough to warm the pan. I know of some guys leaving them on overnight, might up your electric bill a little though...

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    Default Re: Block Heater Question???

    Quote Originally Posted by PioneerMan View Post
    Just my two cents but on my p/u half an hour would probably be enough to warm the pan. I know of some guys leaving them on overnight, might up your electric bill a little though...
    We just replaced the one on the 94 dodge, and the service tech told me to let it run between 1-2 hours prior to a real cold start. My Kioti sales guy recommends at least 2 hours also. might be due to the huge amounts of fluids to warm. My rear mount pto hydraulic tank holds 25 gallons. I put the small 125 watt heater on the oil pan and the 250 watt on the HST and hydraulic power pack
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    Default Re: Block Heater Question???

    Quote Originally Posted by RoyJackson View Post
    I'm very interested to see how this works out for you. I've read bad things about some of those external oil pan heaters (mostly the magnetic type, IIRC).
    Magnetic and dipstick heaters are useless. And there are some Chinese knock-off adhesive pan heaters I'd never touch too. Kats comes to mind. But Wolverines are the real deal, plus - as far as I know - they're still made in America. I've installed them on each of my previous 3 tractors, and can't say enough good things about them. I too used a grounded timer, and - when overnight temps were predicted to drop below 20F - would set it to start heating 2 hours before putting the tractor to work. That said, they must be sized and installed correctly. Too small, and they won't thin the oil enough. To large, and they can coke the oil. And even a correctly sized pad - when improperly installed - can lead to disappointment. Follow the selection guide and installation instructions, and you can't go wrong.

    My John Deere direct injection engine on the other hand, shouldn't need additional cold start assist. But it's a cabbed tractor, so I want fast heat to the interior. I've got a 750w circulating tank heater ready to install, as soon as I can figure out which heater hose to cut. This is the first winter, so I'm going to wait on the transmission heater. The low viscosity HyGard is very thin (about 10W I think), so it remains to be seen if it needs pre-heating during Kentucky winters.

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    Default Re: Block Heater Question???

    Quote Originally Posted by greg_g View Post
    Magnetic and dipstick heaters are useless. And there are some Chinese knock-off adhesive pan heaters I'd never touch too. Kats comes to mind. But Wolverines are the real deal, plus - as far as I know - they're still made in America. I've installed them on each of my previous 3 tractors, and can't say enough good things about them. I too used a grounded timer, and - when overnight temps were predicted to drop below 20F - would set it to start heating 2 hours before putting the tractor to work. That said, they must be sized and installed correctly. Too small, and they won't thin the oil enough. To large, and they can coke the oil. And even a correctly sized pad - when improperly installed - can lead to disappointment. Follow the selection guide and installation instructions, and you can't go wrong.

    My John Deere direct injection engine on the other hand, shouldn't need additional cold start assist. But it's a cabbed tractor, so I want fast heat to the interior. I've got a 750w circulating tank heater ready to install, as soon as I can figure out which heater hose to cut. This is the first winter, so I'm going to wait on the transmission heater. The low viscosity HyGard is very thin (about 10W I think), so it remains to be seen if it needs pre-heating during Kentucky winters.

    //greg//
    I wanted to get a circulating water type heater like i had on my old truck, but the Kioti's lower radiator hose was already cut and had a "T" installed for the cab heater, and there was no place to add the heater.
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    Default Re: Block Heater Question???

    I wonder about the repeated use of a block heater or tranny heater on a timer in super-cold (below zero) weather.

    Say for example.....if you had the heater come on for an hour each day....but never fired up the tractor over a two week period during severe cold. Would you be making moisture problems?
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    Default Re: Block Heater Question???

    Quote Originally Posted by foggy1111 View Post
    I wonder about the repeated use of a block heater or tranny heater on a timer in super-cold (below zero) weather.

    Say for example.....if you had the heater come on for an hour each day....but never fired up the tractor over a two week period during severe cold. Would you be making moisture problems?
    hmm, good question. not sure. I do know that i did this for 14 years on my old tractor without an issue. Good question though
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    Default Re: Block Heater Question???

    I installed a block heater on the left side of the engine block of my JD770. I plug it in about 1-2 hours before I use the tractor when the temperature is 35F and below.
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    Default Re: Block Heater Question???

    Quote Originally Posted by foggy1111 View Post
    I wonder about the repeated use of a block heater or tranny heater on a timer in super-cold (below zero) weather.

    Say for example.....if you had the heater come on for an hour each day....but never fired up the tractor over a two week period during severe cold. Would you be making moisture problems?
    Moisture problems where? The heater is already in moisture.

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    Default Re: Block Heater Question???

    Quote Originally Posted by Pipestone Kid View Post
    Moisture problems where? The heater is already in moisture.
    Condensation inside the engine...specifically the oil pan and maybe the crank journals.
    Foggy has a good question, actually...
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