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RalphVa
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- Joined
- Dec 19, 2003
- Messages
- 7,873
- Location
- Charlottesville, VA, USA
- Tractor
- JD 2025R, previously Gravely 5650 & JD 4010 & JD 1025R
I did it, and it works.
Both the 4010 and 4110 (and probably 4115 and 790) have identical buttons underneath the seat. The button on the 4110, 4115 & 790 works in the up position to allow you to use the PTO with no one on the seat. The 4110, 4115 & 790 have seat brackets that allow the operators to pull the button up and then sit back onto the seat to work the clutch to use the PTO on their gear transmissions. The 4010 only comes in HST and doesn't need the seat brackets, but the button does not work in the up position. Apparently the wires going back to the control module from the up position wires, do nothing on the 4010.
Here's the procedure to make the button work to operatue the PTO with the seat button in the UP position on a 4010 and to disconnect those wires from the control module, to avoid confusing the module if voltage is sensed from either of these wires:
o Locate a 10 mm wrench or very thin-walled 10 mm socket. You'll need an open end to remove the bolts holding the button in place unless you happen to have a very thin-walled socket that will go between the holes where the 10 mm bolts are holding the button in.
o Remove the button by pulling it down against the spring that holds it in position, in order to get the 10 mm wrench on the bolts. Or, use your very thin-walled socket.
o Use a screwdriver or one edge of the 10mm wrench to push the plastic clip holding the electrical connector together. Pull apart. You'll find the terminal underneath some plastic sheathing that can easily be pulled back.
o With a test light, locate the pair of terminals at the connector that serve in the button up position. These will likely be the mostly blue and blue-striped ones. The test light will come on with the button pulled up when you find the right pair.
o Just to check, use your test light to check that the other 2 terminals light the light if you push the the button down.
o Twist off the button-up connections with needle nose pliers.
o Plug back in and start the tractor, if you want to be certain that you did the right 2 terminals. Check that the rear PTO can be pulled out with the button pushed down.
o Remove from terminal connecter again and jumper the mostly blue & mostly red wires. You can do this with some jumper connectors you can buy at Radio Shack. You'll probably find these wires are side-by-side.
o Jumper the blue stripe & red stripe wires. Again, you'll probably find these are side-by-side. I couldn't put the 2nd jumper side-by-side but stripped off some of the plastic over the wires and located the 2nd jumper further down line.
o Just for insurance, I wrapped the jumpers with electrical tape. Then, plug into the connector and check PTO with button down and button up. Should work in both positions.
o Bolt button back into position.
If you bugger the job, you can get another button for $27.18. I have a spare, a 4110 one that I bought that has a different part # than the 4010 but is identical to it.
I think JD just screwed up on the control module internals somehow, and the lawyers had them put in the 4010 manuals that the PTO can't be used without someone sitting in the seat. Sounds as though they've done the same for the 2210/2305.
Somehow, the wires from the button up position on the 4110, 4115 & 790 must go back to the control module to sense the clutch action on geared models. Otherwise, I can't figure why JD didn't just join the wires at the button from the 2 positions and save a pair of wires back to the control module.
Ralph
Both the 4010 and 4110 (and probably 4115 and 790) have identical buttons underneath the seat. The button on the 4110, 4115 & 790 works in the up position to allow you to use the PTO with no one on the seat. The 4110, 4115 & 790 have seat brackets that allow the operators to pull the button up and then sit back onto the seat to work the clutch to use the PTO on their gear transmissions. The 4010 only comes in HST and doesn't need the seat brackets, but the button does not work in the up position. Apparently the wires going back to the control module from the up position wires, do nothing on the 4010.
Here's the procedure to make the button work to operatue the PTO with the seat button in the UP position on a 4010 and to disconnect those wires from the control module, to avoid confusing the module if voltage is sensed from either of these wires:
o Locate a 10 mm wrench or very thin-walled 10 mm socket. You'll need an open end to remove the bolts holding the button in place unless you happen to have a very thin-walled socket that will go between the holes where the 10 mm bolts are holding the button in.
o Remove the button by pulling it down against the spring that holds it in position, in order to get the 10 mm wrench on the bolts. Or, use your very thin-walled socket.
o Use a screwdriver or one edge of the 10mm wrench to push the plastic clip holding the electrical connector together. Pull apart. You'll find the terminal underneath some plastic sheathing that can easily be pulled back.
o With a test light, locate the pair of terminals at the connector that serve in the button up position. These will likely be the mostly blue and blue-striped ones. The test light will come on with the button pulled up when you find the right pair.
o Just to check, use your test light to check that the other 2 terminals light the light if you push the the button down.
o Twist off the button-up connections with needle nose pliers.
o Plug back in and start the tractor, if you want to be certain that you did the right 2 terminals. Check that the rear PTO can be pulled out with the button pushed down.
o Remove from terminal connecter again and jumper the mostly blue & mostly red wires. You can do this with some jumper connectors you can buy at Radio Shack. You'll probably find these wires are side-by-side.
o Jumper the blue stripe & red stripe wires. Again, you'll probably find these are side-by-side. I couldn't put the 2nd jumper side-by-side but stripped off some of the plastic over the wires and located the 2nd jumper further down line.
o Just for insurance, I wrapped the jumpers with electrical tape. Then, plug into the connector and check PTO with button down and button up. Should work in both positions.
o Bolt button back into position.
If you bugger the job, you can get another button for $27.18. I have a spare, a 4110 one that I bought that has a different part # than the 4010 but is identical to it.
I think JD just screwed up on the control module internals somehow, and the lawyers had them put in the 4010 manuals that the PTO can't be used without someone sitting in the seat. Sounds as though they've done the same for the 2210/2305.
Somehow, the wires from the button up position on the 4110, 4115 & 790 must go back to the control module to sense the clutch action on geared models. Otherwise, I can't figure why JD didn't just join the wires at the button from the 2 positions and save a pair of wires back to the control module.
Ralph
