4shorts said:
To those who have the HST's. How fast do they back up? If I were plowing half my time is going in reverse so I wouldn't want the thing to be really slow. Thanks again. Paul
Faster than you can safetly go in a plowed field . . .
I'd put my HST against any Kioti gear tractor in the same power category for any of the task that I have seen any of you guys doing on this board. I'm sure Island Tractor would say the same thing. HST's are getting the same "trial by fire" that automatic tranny automobiles got when they first came out. These days no one thinks twice about buying an auto tranny car except a few diehards or those who want a manual for a specialty application. Can I drive a shuttle shift or traditional manual tractor. You bet and have done so before. But why should I? For what I do around my small farm the 45hp HST does everything that I have asked it without a hint of holding back. I am still waiting for a good explanation as to why he should by a shuttle tractor. So he is going to do a little bit a plowing? It wasn't mentioned in his first post that he WAS going to be plowing or doing any heavy ground work. And even if he wants to plow a few acres the DK45SE can't handle a small plow or 6 or 7ft. disk??? It's not like he is running a beef farm. So again give me a good reason why he should be buy a gear tractor over the HST? If it is preference well then there is not much I can say about that other than no one will ever change that persons mind about clutches, maintain., etc. That's just your loss on not trying something new. But technology has come along way and there are lots a HST's out there and they seem to be holding up just fine.
Now specifically DK45s vs. DK45SE, yes the "S" is rated at 38 vs. 36 PTO hp I believe so there is some loss in that regard. So I may have mis-understood the original statement. That said, I am not mistaken the hydro pumps on the HST are larger as far GPM. Someone may need to check me on that though. I also think Lloyd is correct from an internal maintain. aspect. If something does go wrong HST it will (should) be more expensive to fix. But what can you say, it's the same issue we all deal with in cars . . . auto vs. manual. Same as larger tractors: power shuttles vs. shuttle shifts. I hear the same arguement in the AG forum for and against all the new electronics in tractors. It's just the evolution of the world.
I'm sure my post comes off as spiteful. That's not my goal. But more than once new members have come on and ask for advice and "traditionalists" have kind of leaned on HST pretty hard using the argument that it may not hold up to the pressures of the work put on these machines. Well as I said before, I have yet to see anyone in this forum really putting their tractors through any serious torture test that would be considered over and beyond the call of duty were HST would be in danger of failing. When some one starts farming for a living or running full time landscaping business daily with some HST units than I will be impressed and may just flat out say you may want to look at shuttle or power shift machines.
We are seriously looking at putting up some hay. In order to do this I have to buy a new tractor, a larger one to run the mower and baler. As for raking and running a tedder do you think I have any reservations about using the 45HST to do that? Do you think I have any reservation about buying a second 6ft. disc mower as a back up to the main mower to run the DK? Not a one. Darn, I'll even hook up the square baler to the 45 and run it if I have to get hay up. It may rock me to death but I'll bet you it'll get it done.
I think everyone, especially the buyer, needs to be sensible about what you are buying your tractor to do. Do you really think a 45HST can't plow snow effectively while on the other hand it has no problem moving 1800lb.+ round bales or will spin all 4 wheels while pulling a 7ft. rear blade through a stall full of muck. Just think a little . . .