JUst about ready to pull the trigger on a CK30....except

[Steve_Miller]

For what it's worth.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/k...tor-tests.html

Steve

[Yota_85]

Yes, Steve, that was informative. And now I'm further perplexed.

Yours clearly lifted 1600 lbs. May not have been to full height, but it did lift it.

Does Kioti rate their loaders like we rate pickup trucks.
ex. 1/2 ton truck generally has a weight capacity of 1500-1800 lbs.
Though I guess they mean that is the max, whereas it'll carry 1000 lbs all day long, safely.

So to transfer the analogy, the KL130 will safely pick up 1155 lbs to FULL HEIGHT, but may (as you tests show) pick up substantially more, just NOT to full height, and possibly (at least without proper ballast) not safely.

Anyone following this train of thought, or am I talking crackers here?

Either that or Kioti seriously UNDERRATES their loaders

[IslandTractor]

Kioti and all manufacturers rate their loaders to full height. As you noted they will lift substantially more to lower heights. As an estimate, I think it is fair to think that if a KL130 is rated at 1155lbs to full height that it would lift about 1500lbs to pickup bed height. The other loader specification that can help is the breakout capacity which is always higher than the full height lift capacity. Breakout is basically the max weight you can put in the bucket and get if off the ground. Somewhere between breakout and max lift would be about right for capacity to pickup bed height.

[JoelD]

Originally Posted by IslandTractor

Kioti and all manufacturers rate their loaders to full height. As you noted they will lift substantially more to lower heights. As an estimate, I think it is fair to think that if a KL130 is rated at 1155lbs to full height that it would lift about 1500lbs to pickup bed height. The other loader specification that can help is the breakout capacity which is always higher than the full height lift capacity. Breakout is basically the max weight you can put in the bucket and get if off the ground. Somewhere between breakout and max lift would be about right for capacity to pickup bed height.

I did not realize that was what break out meant, I thought it was curl force.

That is good to know.

Thanks,
Joel

[MtnViewRanch]

Before I bought my Mahindra 3215, I was about this !! close to getting a CK35, the loader was the deciding factor for me. Mahindra's ML111 loader has a lift capacity of 1410lbs at the pins to full height of 94".

[MichiganIron]

Brake-out Force is a rating of the bucket curl force at the cutting edge.

[MotorSeven]

Yota, the CK30 is a great machine. But, I traded mine in for a DK40se. My main reason was bucket size, lift capacity and the QA. I just ended up picking on things with the Ck loader that it just couldn't handle. It did pick up a wet 4x5 roll of hay on bucket forks(it made the CK grunt hard), which I thought was impressive. Anyway, when I traded, I swapped buckets on the DK for a Bush Hog brand, it is almost twice as deep as the standard Kioti bucket.

If you think you will need more lift capacity, go with a DK & never look back....imho. Sounds like you just need to build a tractor shed/garage

RD

[IslandTractor]

Originally Posted by MichiganIron

Brake-out Force is a rating of the bucket curl force at the cutting edge.

I always thought that too but just recently saw a pretty official document (cannot remember what exactly) that described it as the max lift force with the bucket on the ground. I also used to think that breakout was the combination of curl plus lift which intuitively makes the most sense as that would be a greater force than curl or lift alone. Does anyone have a reference for a technical definition of what breakout force is?

One problem with the definition that MichiganIron posts is that it would depend on bucket size which seems kinda odd. The skidsteer type flat long buckets would give a low reading while some of the short buckets (like Kioti supplies standard) would give a high reading. It would make sense if it was stated as at pivot pins or at 500mm as it would at least allow direct comparisons.

[SunnyJim]

Here is my CK25 with a set of howse forks (355lbs) lifting my F150 off the ground. It would have been easier with the bucket instead of the forks since the forks weigh quite a bit and are long placing the weight so far forward.

Howse Pallet Forks for Front-End Loader, Model# SXFLPF-R-NT | Forklift Forks + Extensions | Northern Tool + Equipment

[MichiganIron]

Manufacturers rate their equipment slightly differently. The KIOTI KL130 break-out force is listed as 2046 lbs. The KIOTI Break-out Force refers to the maximum calculated bucket rotation force at the pivot pins. The loader will seriously outlift the 1150 lbs it is rated to at full height, but won't lift 2046 lbs. with the boom cylinders alone. It would require a combination of the boom and bucket cylinders acting together to develop that force at the pivot pins, or break-out.