Are CK vs DK PTO specs wrong ?

[Arky217]

On Kioti's website, the DK35SEHST is shown to have 38 gross engine hp and the CK35HST is shown at 34 gross engine hp.
However, the PTO hp of the CK35HST is shown at 26.5 hp whereas the DK35SEHST is shown at only 27 hp, just 1/2 hp more, even though it has 4 more gross hp.
Surely, this must be a misprint, or else there is something about it that I don't understand.

Also, the DK35SEHST PTO is described as 'hydraulic, independent', whereas the CK35HST is described as 'live'.

I think that I understand the hydraulic independent PTO as being actuated by a hydraulic clutch pack. How is the 'live' PTO on the CK35HST actuated ?

And could this actuating difference have something to do with the gross vs PTO hp difference, or is that just a misprint ?

Thanks,
Arky

[VictorW]

On my CK30hst, I hold the clutch in, move the pto shift lever to engage the pto, and then let the clutch out. The same thing to disengage. Moving the lever must engage a gear as in a manual transmission. Maybe the pto on the DK35sehst is hydraulically driven and that is why you have such a loss in hp.

[Gittyup]

I think the DK has a electrically actuated pto via a switch, which is "independent" from the tranny clutch pedal. Whereas the CK is a two stage clutch pedal. Half depressed disengages tranny. All the way down disengages both the tranny and the PTO. This allows you to change gears without disengages, say a bush hog. Or to stop without disengaging the implement.

[carpenter383]

I have a DK and it has a switch on the dash to engage the pto. Also it has a "manual" or "auto" switch for the pto. If the switch is in auto it will automatically start when the 3ph is lowered and stop when the 3ph is raised.

[Patches]

I question whether you can trust ANY of Kioti's specs; I only say that because of my oft repeated experience with my advertised 30HP KL3054xs TLB, that turned out to be a 28HP tractor(according to the engine data plate)

[MichiganIron]

The LK3054 Spec Sheets we had at our store showed the gross engine hp for that tractor as 28.

The CK Series Tractors have 3 types of PTO Engagement:

CK20S Gear - Transmission PTO (only current KIOTI with Trans PTO )
CK27-35 Shuttle - Live PTO (2-stage clutch)
CK27-35 HST - Live/Independant

The DK Series Tractors are all elctro-hydraulic/Independant
The DK HST Tractors do not have a clutch pedal.

[Arky217]

Back to the first part of my original question.

Why is there only a 7.5 hp difference in the gross vs pto hp of the CK35HST, whereas there is a 11 hp difference in the gross vs pto hp of the DK35SEHST ?

They're both HSTs and only 4 gross hp apart; it seems unlikely that there would be such a wide difference.
In other words, if the CK loses 7.5 hp from its gross to its pto, it seems that the DK would also lose about that same amount from its gross to its pto.

Is it possible that the pto itself on the DK is hydrostatically driven and thus there is more hp loss ?
(I thought that 'independent, hydraulic" meant that the way it is actuated is via a hydraulic clutch pack.)

Or, is it more likely a misprint in the specs ?
Or, are there other factors involved ?

Thanks,
Arky

[IslandTractor]

I have learned not to trust the Kioti website for specifications. The website has very poor quality control which is a shame and an embarrassment for the company. Too bad. It has been pointed out to them multiple times and they just don't seem to care enough to fix it.

[Patches]

Originally Posted by MichiganIron

The LK3054 Spec Sheets we had at our store showed the gross engine hp for that tractor as 28.

The CK Series Tractors have 3 types of PTO Engagement:

CK20S Gear - Transmission PTO (only current KIOTI with Trans PTO )
CK27-35 Shuttle - Live PTO (2-stage clutch)
CK27-35 HST - Live/Independant

The DK Series Tractors are all elctro-hydraulic/Independant
The DK HST Tractors do not have a clutch pedal.

MI; you are correct, the new brouchers do advertise 28HP(the 3054 is no longer available), but in 2005, when I bought mine the broucher, dealer, and Kioti web site all had it at 30HP: I still have the '04 broucher.Shortly after I questioned Kioti(customer service?) and got the reply"manufacturer retains the right to change design and specs without notice" they changed their web site specs and even printed new brouchers