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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Engine will not start/ Electrical Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by mohican View Post
    Now, I did not do that. That would make even more sense. Now teh cable is looking more suspect. If its not working well, it woiuld act as a barrier between the boosted electrical output and the frame.
    thats what im thinking. give it a try. If it cranks over alot better, then id suspect a cable issue. There have been numerous posts here about guys having to replace the ground wires and install a new bolt where they hook into the frame
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    2011 Kioti DK45SE HST CAB tractor/loader, Jimna 6" - 3 point wood chipper, 60" JD Brush Hog, JD 60" Rototiller, 3 point post hole digger with hydraulic assist, 3 point spring tooth rake, Fimco 55 gallon weed sprayer with 12 foot boom, 3 point hydraulic wood splitter (home built)
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    Default Re: Engine will not start/ Electrical Issue

    Check your ground where the ground cable bolts to the frame. Take the cable off and clean the cable end and frame were they connect.
    Vince,
    Kioti DK 35
    Hustler Super Z

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    Default Re: Engine will not start/ Electrical Issue

    Update - Replaced the grounduing cable and cleaned the ignition switch with WD 40. No start or clicking. The only thing that happens when I turn the key to the right is that the dash lights come on. Turn the key to the left and the coil won't heat up. The blinkers work.

    1) Is the ignigition switch bad and if so, how can I test it?
    2) Are there any safety switches involving a bush hog that I can access and reset or replace? I have a mower attached at the moment.
    3) Are there relay switches to look at and if so, how do I test them?

    Thanks to you all in advance for your advice. I'm learning alot and hopefully this thread can help the next fellow in line for a setback like this.

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    Default Re: Engine will not start/ Electrical Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by mohican View Post
    Update - Replaced the grounduing cable and cleaned the ignition switch with WD 40. No start or clicking. The only thing that happens when I turn the key to the right is that the dash lights come on. Turn the key to the left and the coil won't heat up. The blinkers work.

    1) Is the ignigition switch bad and if so, how can I test it?
    2) Are there any safety switches involving a bush hog that I can access and reset or replace? I have a mower attached at the moment.
    3) Are there relay switches to look at and if so, how do I test them?

    Thanks to you all in advance for your advice. I'm learning alot and hopefully this thread can help the next fellow in line for a setback like this.
    Assuming this hasn't been answered by now- if your mower PTO switch is in the on position your tractor will NOT start.
    If you want to test your ig switch best to buy a service manual for your specific tractor. It contains lots of useful info and wiring schematics.
    2010 DK-40se/hst, Kioti KL-401 FEL, (reversible Kioti cutting edge), 72" Ratchet Rake. Fit Rite Top-N-Tilt hydraulics & diverter valve. HLA Series 2000 7' snowplow, Aquiline MPC rear chains. Samuri Sickle bar.

    Scag Wildcat: Kawasaki 26HP, with bagger. Dr. brush mower, & 42" lawn deck, Dr. self propelled, 6.5HP Trimmer mower. Pro-Mow 3 gang mower, no HP.

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    Default Re: Engine will not start/ Electrical Issue

    Well - I found the issue. It was a bad positive cable.

    Tried jumping at the starter and got nothing. We started working back and at first thought the battery was bad. We tested it with the cables on and go nothing. Started to replace it and decided to test the battery w/o the cable and it looked great. Then tested the cable and it failed.

    From the outside, it looked great, so it was the last thing we'd have considered - no rust or corrosion.

    Thanks all for your help.

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    Default Re: Engine will not start/ Electrical Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by mohican View Post
    Well - I found the issue. It was a bad positive cable.

    Tried jumping at the starter and got nothing. We started working back and at first thought the battery was bad. We tested it with the cables on and go nothing. Started to replace it and decided to test the battery w/o the cable and it looked great. Then tested the cable and it failed.

    From the outside, it looked great, so it was the last thing we'd have considered - no rust or corrosion.

    Thanks all for your help.
    EXCELLENT! Sometimes things like positive cables do go bad- unusual, but not outside the realm of possibility. Would have been real easy to overlook- good job tracking it from battery back one part at a time, not overlooking anything!!
    2010 DK-40se/hst, Kioti KL-401 FEL, (reversible Kioti cutting edge), 72" Ratchet Rake. Fit Rite Top-N-Tilt hydraulics & diverter valve. HLA Series 2000 7' snowplow, Aquiline MPC rear chains. Samuri Sickle bar.

    Scag Wildcat: Kawasaki 26HP, with bagger. Dr. brush mower, & 42" lawn deck, Dr. self propelled, 6.5HP Trimmer mower. Pro-Mow 3 gang mower, no HP.

    Bunch of STIHL chainsaws: 011x 2, MS192T, MS200T, MS180C, MS230, MS270 (Wood Boss), 038 Farmboss, '86 anniversary edition.

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    Default Re: Engine will not start/ Electrical Issue

    Seems to me I've heard this story from Kioti owners a few times now.
    Tim.

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    Default Re: Engine will not start/ Electrical Issue

    As mentioned, electrical problems can be a pita but if you start at the beginning and go to the end, something usually shows bad. Don't take any shortcuts. They seem to just come back to bite you.

    The one trick I used with the ground cable to frame, 5 years good so far, is clean as mentioned and use copper anti-seize on the cable end, frame contact area, and bolt. The copper in the anti-seize seems to keep a good connection and the petroleum base of it keeps corrosion away.
    Vic
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    Default Re: Engine will not start/ Electrical Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by tcartwri View Post
    Seems to me I've heard this story from Kioti owners a few times now.
    Not just kioti.... it occurs on alot of tractors that are left out in the whether. Lets face it cold and moist conditions are not friendly to electrical devises.
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    Default Re: Engine will not start/ Electrical Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by tcartwri View Post
    Seems to me I've heard this story from Kioti owners a few times now.
    I've had to clean up the ground where my cable bolts to the frame.
    But thats the only problem I have had. Never a cable.
    My tractors a 2001 model and I'm still running the original battery.
    Vince,
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