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    So.... knowing that Kioti owners are a more tolerant and objective bunch than some other die-hard color fans.... thought you may appreciate this. I started shopping a few weeks ago to step up to a larger tractor. Started researching all the brands again (boy did I learn TOO MUCH about global production, and who really makes tractors now ) and quickly ruled out Massey (Iseki), Deere, Yanmar (Cub), Mahindra, and kubota due to the much higher pricing and/or lack of incentives. Finally, it came down to Kioti and LS, two "new kids on the block."

    LS is part of LG Corp, they've been making tractors since the 70's. They are made in S Korea. They used to make the FarmTrac (Ford) tractors, and more recently have been making the New Holland Boomer series, as well as the Case (red) tractors. They also make Montana and McCormick tractors (although I heard that the contract was now closed with McCormick, and that Daedong was going to start building for them)... In '09 they decided to start selling their own "LS" branded tractors here to attempt to compete with, and take market-share away from, the big boys. Ironically, the Boomer-40 is nearly identical to the R4041, with the exception of stickers and the headlights are a bit different. NH puts their own loader (Rhino I think?) on the Boomer, where as LS uses their own. The funny thing about that is, the LS loader is actually much more capable than the one NH uses . NH also orders them built without certain "add-on" features like dual rear-remotes, which are standard on the LS. To top it off, NH jumps the price up roughly $3,000 for the same tractor! LOL... So, then I heard that there was some kind of fight happening between LS and CNH (Case-NH [Fiat]) which may be why LS decided to market their "blue" tractors under their own name now, in the US market. Subsequently, I heard that CNH may be leaving their contract with LS, and possibly returning to Shibaura, who used to build some of the older Ford/NH tractors & equip, and who still makes some of the larger stuff I believe. I also read something saying that Daedong bought some of (or all?) Shibaura. CRAZY GLOBAL BUSINESS!!!

    So anyhow, it came down to the Kioti DS4510 (best dealer price $19,481), DK40SE ($20,500) --- and the LS R4041 ($19,200) (Shuttle Trans for all).

    DS4510: Definitely a more rugged, less refined tractor than the others. It has good HP for the price, but I was not thrilled about the operators area, and didn't like the joystick location. I think it was only an 8 or 12 gear shuttle. The loader hydraulics seemed slow. I'm sure there is a place for this tractor, but for the minimal price jump, the DK is a better buy, although I like the "looks" of the DS series more.

    DK40SE: Nice, open operators area. A little more "industrial" feeling than the LS... (just like the Kubota's feel more "industrial" than the Kioti). Everything felt well positioned, and I especially liked the tilt-column setup on the Kioti. That foot lever that easily rocked the whole column was very nice. The loader still felt a bit slow and unrefined compared with the LS. I also did not like the "view" looking over the loader arms. You'll notice in the pics below, how much taller the arms are on the Kioto vs the LS... much better visibility with the LS loader. Of course the trade-off is that the Kioti lifts about 11" higher (at the pins). The DK came stock with 1 rear-remote setup, telescoping arms, no rear work-light, no "installed" trailer wire connector. 12x12 Shuttle

    LSR4041: Nice operators area, comfortable, but not quite as open as the Kioti when getting in. Dual hydraulic pumps which really seemed to speed up (and smooth out) the loader controls. (I drove 3-4 different Kioti's and 3 different LS', and the LS were consistently smoother with the loader). LS uses a Mitsubishi diesel. Obviously I can't comment on longevity yet, but the Mitsu sounds really smooth! I'd say 20+% less noise than the Kioti's. The LS comes stock with dual rear-remotes, a rear work light, 7-pin wire harness... telescoping arms, suspension seat (like the Kioti). It's a 16x16 Syncro shuttle. To be honest, there really wasn't much "driveability" difference between the LS and the DK.

    Specs wise, the R4041 & DK40 are very close:

    --------------------DK--------------R4041
    HP -------------41 (34 pto)---------41 (35 pto)
    3-pt lift -----------2493--------------2755
    Loader (at pins)
    Lift height---------107.8"-------------96.1"
    full height lift------2761lbs-----------2500lbs
    breakout----------3727lbs-----------4354lbs
    Transmission------12x12 SS---------16x16 SS
    DIMENSIONS
    Length------------134.2"------------132.2"
    Width--------------63.9"-------------55.9"
    Wheelbase---------72.8"-------------69.2"
    Weight w/o loader--3935lbs----------3813lbs

    So, as you can see... they're both pretty close in specs. The DK is slightly larger, but weight is about the same. The DK lifts 261lbs more to full height, the R4041 has 600lbs more breakout force.

    It really just came down to feel, options, and pricing. For $1000 less, the LS has dual remotes, a rear work light & trailer pin... (several hundred $$ to add those) ... and slightly smaller dimensions for a bit better maneuverability. They were both really nice tractors, and I don't I could have made a bad purchase getting either one.

    I still have my CK20S. I'm going to put it up for sale, but in the mean-time, it will be the wife's tractor --- We might just keep it as long as we can afford both, as there will be times with the size of the CK20S will come in handy.

    PICS:

    Bringing her home:
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    With the CK20S
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    Comparing the DK & LS (one of the dealerships I shopped carried both brands (these were actually both HST which I test drove too, but preferred the Shuttle)
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    6ft bucket * 5ft Tooth/Tine Bucket * QA Forks * 8ft Rhino BackBlade
    7ft Rhino BoxBlade * 7ft LandPride Rake * 6.5ft KK HD Box Disc * Middle buster plow
    WorkSaver SG-26 StumpGrinder * Wallenstein BX42s Chipper * 8ft Ford Brush-Mower
    7.5ft QA snow plow

    Massey = 462 hrs @ 4/27/15

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    Default Re: NEW TRACTOR --- (check inside for details)

    It seems that you did the Research and bought the make and model that you wanted. Congratulations.
    The PUPIL who does not surpass his Master, fails his Master.

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    Default Re: NEW TRACTOR --- (check inside for details)

    I like the LS. My dealer carries them both now to, they dropped Landini after LS stopped making them and went with LS instead (they didn't want two different color Daedongs). When I recently asked my dealer which he prefered, he reluctantly (he did sell me a Kioti afterall) give the nod to LS. It was a no brainer for me since I wanted the cab and LS didn't have one (although I hear they're coming out soon).

    Congrats, enjoy it. If it's on par with a DK, I know you will.

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    Default Re: NEW TRACTOR --- (check inside for details)

    congratulations on Ur purchase,enjoy

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    Default Re: NEW TRACTOR --- (check inside for details)

    Kool enjoy.

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    Congratulations on your new machine, and you sure did your homework

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    Kioti DK35se hydrostat with 2 QA buckets, 48 inch. King Kutter Rotary Cutter. 750 lbs ballast box. Loaded tires, Construction Attachments SSQA Lightweight Pallet forks. EA 50 inch single lid "wicked" Grapple. Satisfied Everlast PA160 welder owner How to add a link to a post . Best way to search TBN


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    Default Re: NEW TRACTOR --- (check inside for details)

    Good job on research, I like the fold down ROPS better too.

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    Default Re: NEW TRACTOR --- (check inside for details)

    Quote Originally Posted by murphy1244 View Post
    Good job on research, I like the fold down ROPS better too.
    The Kioti folds too, but it folds at the base, so that means it is heavier to lift.
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    Kioti DK35se hydrostat with 2 QA buckets, 48 inch. King Kutter Rotary Cutter. 750 lbs ballast box. Loaded tires, Construction Attachments SSQA Lightweight Pallet forks. EA 50 inch single lid "wicked" Grapple. Satisfied Everlast PA160 welder owner How to add a link to a post . Best way to search TBN


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    Default Re: NEW TRACTOR --- (check inside for details)

    Quote Originally Posted by k0ua View Post
    The Kioti folds too, but it folds at the base, so that means it is heavier to lift.
    That's why I like the LS ROPS better.

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    Through research. If I had bought new I probably would have leaned toward the LS. That 600# of extra breakout would come in handy with the boulders we have around here, I have a Satoh with a 25hp 2 cyl Mitsu. It is a late 70's early early 80.s and besides normal engine maintenance I have only had to replace starter and glow plugs. Nice engines
    Don
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