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    Default Control Cable Conundrum

    I'm replacing broken nylon ball plungers in the Joystick controller, using a kit with the steel ball replacements. Seat is off. 3-point lever bracket is off. Joystick control block is dropped down in front of the rear tire. So far so good. But...

    How exactly do ya remove the control cables? They're rather rigid. Loosening them twists the entire sheath which is fixed at the control valve. I could put enough force on them to get them free, but then how would I reattach them? Are they supposed to be loosened at the other end (where they attach to the control valve) to spin freely? That doesn't seem likely.

    What am I missing in observation and/or technique with control cable handling?

    Thanx --

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    Thanks for the welcome, Coyote Machine. I searched the forums before adding this thread, but didn't find information on this very specific issue - how to screw/unscrew a semi-rigid cable that's fixed at its other end. How much force is reasonable, work sequence, how to avoid damaging a cable, etc. Folks just say "Removed cable..." or "Screwed cable back in..." Which is fine, except I never got my Cable Handling badge in Tractor Scouts

    Thanx, again.
    Last edited by ipaqrat; 04-05-2013 at 07:23 PM. Reason: PS - Searched Forums, still need assist

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    Default Re: Control Cable Conundrum

    Welcome to TBN. I'd do a search of your topic in the Kioti forum and see pictures of a complete breakdown of what you're asking about. It's been done by many so it ought to be easy to find a thread related to this topic.
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    Default Re: Control Cable Conundrum

    Quote Originally Posted by ipaqrat View Post
    I'm replacing broken nylon ball plungers in the Joystick controller, using a kit with the steel ball replacements. Seat is off. 3-point lever bracket is off. Joystick control block is dropped down in front of the rear tire. So far so good. But...

    How exactly do ya remove the control cables? They're rather rigid. Loosening them twists the entire sheath which is fixed at the control valve. I could put enough force on them to get them free, but then how would I reattach them? Are they supposed to be loosened at the other end (where they attach to the control valve) to spin freely? That doesn't seem likely.

    What am I missing in observation and/or technique with control cable handling?

    Thanx --

    ---- EDIT ----

    Thanks for the welcome, Coyote Machine. I searched the forums before adding this thread, but didn't find information on this very specific issue - how to screw/unscrew a semi-rigid cable that's fixed at its other end. How much force is reasonable, work sequence, how to avoid damaging a cable, etc. Folks just say "Removed cable..." or "Screwed cable back in..." Which is fine, except I never got my Cable Handling badge in Tractor Scouts

    Thanx, again.
    You almost always have to have the other end lose to remove a rigid cable, you can't twist without that.

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    Default Re: Control Cable Conundrum

    I have replaced mine and posted pics of what I did. I will see if I can find the link for you. It is also interesting how the ball fit back in, again see the pics as it may save you some time and gray hair.

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    Default Re: Control Cable Conundrum

    Here are a few pics, can only send a few at a time. Will post more.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails -joystickfix-013-jpg   -joystickfix-012-jpg   -joystickfix-011-jpg   -joystickfix-014-jpg  

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    Default Re: Control Cable Conundrum

    Here are a few more pics. In the last pic you can see where my ball has broken off.
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    Default Re: Control Cable Conundrum

    These pics and the previous ones are from my CK35. Hope this helps. The trick to getting the balls in is you have to have the holder angled.
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    Default Re: Control Cable Conundrum

    These are pics of the lower end.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails -joystickend-001-jpg   -joystickend-002-jpg   -joystickend-003-jpg   -joystickend-004-jpg   -joystickend-005-jpg  


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    Default Re: Control Cable Conundrum

    This is what I posted about 2 years ago. Page 47 of this Forum.

    Installed Cinematic Kit for my Joystick
    Well it turned out one of the 3 plastic balls had broken off. Took the seat off and loosened the Grey control cover nest to the seat as well as the steel plate this cover is bolted to. Raised the rubber boot at the bottom of the joystick enough so I could unscrew the joystick. Then unbolted the the 2 bolts holding the joystick control box to the tractor. Then pushed the joystick box with the two cable still attached below the tractor. I was able to work on it as you can pull it in front of the back tire. Took the two cables off and then took out the three ballshafts. Found it a bit tricky getting the new ones back in, ended up screwing one of the cable all the way up and the other almost all the way out, this was the only way to fit the 3 ball/joystick housing onto the 2nd ball. Then had to screw the 2nd cable all the way up so the 3 ball/joystick housing was as far away as possible from the black square housing, only then could you put the 3 ball/shaft in. Took me over an hour just to figure out this one step. Made sure the new steel balls had lots of grease. Then reassembled it and works great.

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    Default Re: Control Cable Conundrum

    Thanx Mousefield- you da mouse! The pictures make the difference So the cables do have to come off BOTH ends! When they say "Remove the cables," it means off the TRACTOR, not just off the joystick control box.

    Just talked to a Kioti mechanic. He advised that the control cables don't have to be unthreaded from the base of the joystick control block. Rather, the ball-head control pistons can be unscrewed from the cables with the cable ends remaining in place. I had thought of this technique, but didn't see a spot on the pistons that would take a wrench. But that also assumes the cables wouldn't twist inside the sheathing.

    I think the problem on my CK30 was made worse by the joystick boot being torn up - there was a lot of grit inside where there should only be nice clean grease.

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