Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11
  1. #1
    Gold Member OrangeToys's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    330
    Location
    Missouri
    Tractor
    2011 Kubota MX5100

    Default detent or float

    Ok I am about to order a set of rear remotes and apparently theres 2 differents styles and options to pick. I know nothing about them. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

  2. #2
    Veteran Member kuboman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    2,066
    Location
    Canada
    Tractor
    B3200, L5740,

    Default Re: detent or float

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeToys View Post
    Ok I am about to order a set of rear remotes and apparently theres 2 differents styles and options to pick. I know nothing about them. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
    Detent means it will lock in the position you put the lever until the implement reaches the top/bottom of stroke.
    Float will allow the implement to move up or down on it's own. It all depends on what you are going to do with it. I would get float no matter what. Detent is up to you. Without detent you will have to hold the lever to move the implement up or down.
    L5740 LA854 loader
    L3130 LA723 loader sold
    B3200 LA504 loader
    B1550 sold
    B2620 sold
    B4200 sold
    F2680E
    GF1800
    Kubota RTV900
    JD 850D Gator sold
    JD F935 x 2 sold
    Case 590SM-2
    JD 310D TLB
    Ford 555D sold
    Gehl 602 excavator

  3. #3
    Super Star Member J_J's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    16,419
    Location
    JACKSONVILLE, FL
    Tractor
    Power-Trac 1445, KUBOTA B-9200HST

    Default Re: detent or float

    Just about all float position on valves have detent. I sure would not want to hold that lever in float.

    If you are going to use the a two spool valve for T-N-T, you don't want detent. Float on one spool is good for grading. A third spool with detent would be good to have for log splitter or BH.
    J.J.

    When I works, I works hard. When I sits and thinks, I goes to sleep.

    Git er done.

  4. #4
    Super Member grsthegreat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    6,425
    Location
    north idaho
    Tractor
    dk45se hst cab

    Default Re: detent or float

    agree 100% with JJ.

    The only thing i do like about my detente valve is i can lock it when using the rear 3 point mounted log splitter.

    Otherwise the detente is a PITA.

    My 2nd valve doesnt have a detente and i use that for most everything i do cept the logsplitter.
    currently own
    2011 Kioti DK45SE HST CAB tractor/loader, Jimna 6" - 3 point wood chipper, 60" JD Brush Hog, JD 60" Rototiller, 3 point post hole digger with hydraulic assist, 3 point spring tooth rake, Fimco 55 gallon weed sprayer with 12 foot boom, 3 point hydraulic wood splitter (home built)
    Quick Attach 79" loader mount snowblower & rear powerpack
    Quick Attach 84" Snow Blade
    Quick Attach 42" pallet forks

  5. #5
    Gold Member OrangeToys's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    330
    Location
    Missouri
    Tractor
    2011 Kubota MX5100

    Default

    Just saw that in the manual that the top and bottom set is detent and the second set is a float.
    I like to push buttons that I dont know what they do to find out. Theres some I wont push anymore

  6. #6
    Silver Member gaproperty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    235
    Location
    Nova Scotia
    Tractor
    Kubota 4740

    Default

    Man I wish I had JJ's knowledge. I would save a bundle in my small business. As a matter of fact he already saved me money. Thanks JJ.

  7. #7
    Super Member crazyal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    5,838
    Location
    Northern Vermont

    Default Re: detent or float

    It's my understanding that detent and float are two different things. Detent is a way of holding the lever in position while float allows fluid to travel in both directions from the cylinder lines.

    For example if you wanted to run a hydraulic motor you would want a detent to hold the lever in the correct position so fluid can power the motor otherwise you would have to hold it by hand or by wrapping a rope to hold it. Another example would be a log splitter (if you've ever used one). When extending the cylinder to split the log you don't have a detent. If you let go of the lever it will spring back to the neutral position and the cylinder stops moving. However when retracting the cylinder the valve has a detent. Once you push the lever to retract the cylinder you can let go of it and reach for a new log while the cylinder will continue to retract on it's own.

    Float just allows a cylinder to extend and retract if the attachment pulls or pushes on it. Your FEL most likely has a float setting. If you were strong enough when the lift motion is in float you could lift the loader up or if it was up it would fall to the ground. Most (maybe all) valves that have a float option will have a detent to hold the lever in float mode.

    I'm not positive but it sounds like what you are calling detent is actually a position for the lever that will keep hydraulic fluid flowing (so you could run a hydraulic motor) without having to hold the lever.
    Kubota L4240,Case 580K backhoe, Case 450 Dozer

  8. #8
    Veteran Member SSdoxie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    2,006
    Location
    Cumberland Plateau, TN
    Tractor
    Bobcat CT225

    Default Re: detent or float

    Detent is just a term for the spring loaded mechanisim in the valve centering spring that holds the valve spool in a fully stoked position. Depending on the valve spool type and valve casting if it is constant power supply out or if it holds the spool in a float poistion. Both types of valve will allow pressure out in both directions without going into "detent". A 3rd option (on constant power) is to have auto-return to neutral, when pressure reachs a set value the detent releases and spool returns to neutral - commonly used on log splitter valve for cylinder retract.
    If both choices were available on my tractor, I would have one of each.
    Dennis

    CT225 w/7TL QA FEL, 60"tooth dirt bucket, 68" smooth bucket, Pallet Forks, Bale Spear. Hydrualic top llin, QH, 48 RC, 60" tiller, Angle blade, Landscape rake, Carry-all, Post hole auger.

  9. #9
    Super Member grsthegreat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    6,425
    Location
    north idaho
    Tractor
    dk45se hst cab

    Default Re: detent or float

    Ya, ive always just refereed to it as detente and non detente. When you lock the valve in the detente position, the hydraulics then are free to float (like the front loader)
    currently own
    2011 Kioti DK45SE HST CAB tractor/loader, Jimna 6" - 3 point wood chipper, 60" JD Brush Hog, JD 60" Rototiller, 3 point post hole digger with hydraulic assist, 3 point spring tooth rake, Fimco 55 gallon weed sprayer with 12 foot boom, 3 point hydraulic wood splitter (home built)
    Quick Attach 79" loader mount snowblower & rear powerpack
    Quick Attach 84" Snow Blade
    Quick Attach 42" pallet forks

  10. #10
    Bronze Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    99

    Default Re: detent or float

    Not being an expert in this field, I would have expected there to be:

    detent - some extra resistance for some extra stroke to operating lever, that may or may not lock (BX23 bucket dump, old cars push down 'reverse')

    and then locking or holding detent - like bucket (lift arms) float

    I found both types when I serviced my late BX23 FEL lever system - balls up a ramp, and also balls up a ramp and then in a groove.

    How are locking detent and non-locking detent ('special position') differentiated?
    Is a detent something you go through (the resistant ramp) or something that holds (the groove)?
    I can see a case for both...
    Last edited by tshep; 12-28-2011 at 08:07 PM. Reason: always spelling...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. B21 FEL Boom Float Detent Repair
    By flingwing1969 in forum Hydraulics
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 07-11-2012, 01:16 AM
  2. Yahoo!!.... Float detent works on BX23
    By gerford in forum Kubota Owning/Operating
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 12-12-2007, 12:31 PM
  3. Float detent valve ?
    By FULLPULL in forum New Holland Owning/Operating
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 02-12-2007, 10:31 PM
  4. Float detent
    By ericbx1500 in forum Kubota Owning/Operating
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 05-06-2006, 09:03 PM
  5. Remotes: Double Acting or Float Detent ???
    By Neophyte in forum Attachments
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 08-19-2003, 07:46 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
© 2014 TractorByNet.com. TractorByNet is a registered trademark of IMC Digital Universe, Inc. Other trademarks on this page are the property of their respective owners.