Ballast front tire fluid

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CaptJCHill

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Aurora,Indiana
Tractor
Kubota M5700
Does any one use liquid ballast on the front wheels of a 4wd? I will not be using the tractor on the road,ony bush hogging,so do not see any high speed rotating mass problem.I do not have a fel on this Kubota M5700 and mow some steep hills and have 5 small 40 lb wts on the rack now and would be able to put about 25 gal (200lbs+) in each, about 600lbs total.The manual says not to load the fronts with liquid,but I think it is only related to high(er) speed travel. Missing anything? Any thoughts?
John
 
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If the manual say don't do it... Don't do it.
 
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Ditto. Follow the manual.

High speed travel is an oxymoron on a tractor. You aren't going to develop enough RPM's on the wheel to get centrifugal force vibration issues.

But it's your warranty, you do as you like.
 
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Just bought a liquid fill valve from TSC and I think I will try loading them with water.If it works then I saved $800+ on factory weights.If it doesn't,I'm out $8. No warranty,only buy at auction!

John
 
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I was told that filling the tires caused too much stress.

Totally different than putting weigh on the front where they are supposed to go.
 
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Only reason I can see that filling the front tires would bad is that you would trying to lift the weighted tires by the king pin assembly when you have weight on the 3PH Vs having the weight hanging on the frame. Not sure if the king pin assembly is designed to hold / lift that extra weight.
 
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CaptJCHill said:
Does any one use liquid ballast on the front wheels of a 4wd? I will not be using the tractor on the road,ony bush hogging,so do not see any high speed rotating mass problem.I do not have a fel on this Kubota M5700 and mow some steep hills and have 5 small 40 lb wts on the rack now and would be able to put about 25 gal (200lbs+) in each, about 600lbs total.The manual says not to load the fronts with liquid,but I think it is only related to high(er) speed travel. Missing anything? Any thoughts?
John

I have a mx4700 4wd and my dealer water filled my tires for me. Unless ur using top gear down an asphalt road you will never have a problem.
 
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Ditto. Follow the manual.

High speed travel is an oxymoron on a tractor. You aren't going to develop enough RPM's on the wheel to get centrifugal force vibration issues.

But it's your warranty, you do as you like.

Over time you'll find out why not to load the frount tires! But it's your pocket book, do what you want!
 
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Being in Indiana I would want to use something besides straight water. If the water freezes and the tractor is moved it can really tear up the inside of the tires.

MarkV
 
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Only reason I can see that filling the front tires would bad is that you would trying to lift the weighted tires by the king pin assembly when you have weight on the 3PH Vs having the weight hanging on the frame. Not sure if the king pin assembly is designed to hold / lift that extra weight.

I've often heard members say (along with the manuals) not to fill front tires. I've always wondered WHY that is actually not a good idea, and with your post I think it finally makes sense to me. Here's what I'm understanding from you:

Even if not actually lifting the front right off the ground, using implements on the back is still creating "lift" on the front, with the rear axle acting as the fulcrum. The weight of all the tractor parts forward of the rear axle fulcrum, plus any extra weights, etc., keep the front of the tractor down on the ground. As you add weight forward of the fulcrum, you increase the capacity of what you can lift at the rear. Any weight you add that is on the frame is ok, as the frame can take it.

Adding a bunch of weight in the front tires would help in holding the tractor down, but there is now a fair amount of added stress to the parts that hold the wheels, axles, etc., to the tractor. Not downward stress, but upward stress.

Like if you jacked the front end up letting the front tires dangle in the air, the attaching parts only hold up the weight of the air filled tires, hubs, axles, etc. If you filled the front tires with liquid, those same parts have to hold up MUCH more weight. Doing a lot of work with heavy rear implements and filled front tires is putting a lot of constant additional "backwards" stress on the front attaching parts, which are designed more to withstand down pressure (weight of front of tractor, filled loaders, etc.), but not so much for up pressure.

Am I understanding correctly?
 

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