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    Default Brush Cat Brake Question

    Can anyone tell me where the braking action comes from on a Brush Cat (Bobcat) rotary mower when you shut off the flow? Is it something in the machine, or the mower?
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    Default Re: Brush Cat Brake Question

    there is a valve block. When the lift arms are raised about a certain height, the valve is tripped by a lever and it shuts the flow off. It can be disconnected but I don't recommend it. Edit: The block is on the brushcat.
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    Default Re: Brush Cat Brake Question

    Quote Originally Posted by yellowdogsvc View Post
    there is a valve block. When the lift arms are raised about a certain height, the valve is tripped by a lever and it shuts the flow off. It can be disconnected but I don't recommend it. Edit: The block is on the brushcat.
    Yeah, that's been disconnected a long time ago. I was referring to the way the rotation stops a few seconds after you stop the flow, instead of free spinning until the momentum runs out.
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    Default Re: Brush Cat Brake Question

    Sorry, I misread. Figured you curious about one.
    I've had 3 since they first came out. All have braked pretty hard after flow is shut off and the blades clank together real hard.

    I think it's still in that valve block. With a direct drive motor like I had on my davco, it would free spin. I think the valve block has some type of squash plate in it. I think I remember disconnecting the early version of the toolcat from the valve block and the blades would free spin after hydraulics were shut off. It's the only thing in-between the auxiliary hydraulics and hydraulic motor. It can't be in the machine because my other mowers free spin after hydraulics are shut off.
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    Default Re: Brush Cat Brake Question

    Thanks. That makes sence, but since I haven't ran another one I wanted to make sure.
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    Default Re: Brush Cat Brake Question

    there is a actual brake valve on the motor its self, it has a pilot activated check valve tied into a relief valve the connects the in and out of the motor causing a brake type action...... instead of a davco or other eaton type motor that just has the check valve that lets the oil recirc around and around until the mower stops

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    Default Re: Brush Cat Brake Question

    Thanks for the replies but it seems neither is correct. We built a mount so we can run this mower on our CAT excavator as well as the bobcat. We didn't want the brake when on the excavator. Bypassed the valve box, ran it on the excavator and all was good. No brake and the mower would spin until momentum ran out Put it back on the Bobcat and the brake was violent. Something would break violent. Switched the hoses back and it runs as normal on the bobcat with the brake. Put it on the excavator and there is no brake, free spins. So this braking must come from the bobcat?
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    Default Re: Brush Cat Brake Question

    thats interesting......... the hydraulics should work the same no matter what machine its on.......unless your EX is set up for a hammer and the return side hose is open to case drain, hence why it free spins instead of building pressure and stalling untill the relief opens like on your bobcat....

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    Default Re: Brush Cat Brake Question

    Quote Originally Posted by RINGPOWERTALLY View Post
    thats interesting......... the hydraulics should work the same no matter what machine its on.......unless your EX is set up for a hammer and the return side hose is open to case drain, hence why it free spins instead of building pressure and stalling untill the relief opens like on your bobcat....
    This is correct. The braking is in the valve, uses a cross port releif that allows the motor to coast until the pressure on the retrun side drops low enough to safely stop the blade without damage to the motor or gear box. Some brands may use a motor with internal by-pass circiut that allows coast down, but Bobcat does not. One benifit of the Bobcat motor is ability to use both sides of a double edged blade, if blades get too worn running in one direction, swap the hoses at the motor and motor will rotate opposite direction and cut with the other side of the blade. If running on an excavator as fishfactor described, it was with direct to tank return, in this case it will coast but the motor is spinning without oil flow through it and can eventually cause cavitation wear to the motor.
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    Default Re: Brush Cat Brake Question

    We run the aux on the ex on the foot pedal pilot control. Also have the tool control hydraulics so we adjust how many gpm go to the head. We can run the AFE mulcher in reverse to clear a jamb so I don't think the return hose is open to the case drain.
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