TSO
Elite Member
Sorry to clutter up the LS Forum with another "advice" thread, but... I test drove Kioti's again today, and I'm 100% sure I want an LS. So much smoother, both the engine & hydraulics. Cheaper too :thumbsup: Downside of course is that I'll be getting a lower trade-in on my current tractor by not staying with Kioti, and my Kioti dealer (who I am very happy with) is only 15 miles away. The closest LS dealer is 40, and the next is 85. Alternatively, I can buy an LS, and put my Kioti up for sale and hope it sells quickly, and for more than the trade-in amount. Downside is that I bought it a year ago, so I'm going to lose money either way. Currently owe $10,900, the (farther) dealer hasn't given me an official trade-in price yet, and the closer one doesn't do Kioti's, and says he's not interested in taking it in on trade. My Kioti dealer offered me $9700. At only 216 hours !!! Poop.
Anyhow, I'm driving my wife crazy with numbers, comparisons, hypotheticals, etc. I wish that there was a higher price difference between the 39 & 41 so it would be easier, but it's not. So, here's my run-down of pros for each one. Can some of ya give me your list of pros/cons, and/or comment on mine? I'm sick of bouncing the idea off myself and I'm completely stuck right now. Oh, also... sticking with Hydrostat. I test drove the Shuttle, and while I can "Get used to it" I don't prefer it for the minor cost jump to the Hydro.
R3039H.
Specs I'm interested in:
Pros:
R4041H:
Pros:
So... that's what it comes down to. Ordinarily I'd say "For only $1000 you are getting WAY more tractor" which is still true, however, because of it's size, the 40 series will be, at times, a hinderance. Someday I'll get a bigger truck, and someday I'll get a bigger trailer, but I'm not going to do that anytime soon.
Is there anything I'm missing, or that I haven't considered? What exactly am I getting or losing by going with either one? Is the extra lift & breakout capacity going to be noticeably better in the 40'series? Is there something a 41hp 5000lb tractor can handle WAY better than a 38.5hp 4000lb tractor? I'm not planning on going bigger than 6' for implements anyhow, and most of the work will be loader work, with some grading, plowing, tilling, etc. I'm sure I can get accustomed to the larger size of the 41, while operating... but again, the larger size will cause problems of its' own.
Talk me into or out of either one so my brain can see an outside position!
Thanks in advance - hopefully my next TBN Thread will be a "here's my new LS ***** tractor!"
R3039 on the left, R4041 on the right...
Anyhow, I'm driving my wife crazy with numbers, comparisons, hypotheticals, etc. I wish that there was a higher price difference between the 39 & 41 so it would be easier, but it's not. So, here's my run-down of pros for each one. Can some of ya give me your list of pros/cons, and/or comment on mine? I'm sick of bouncing the idea off myself and I'm completely stuck right now. Oh, also... sticking with Hydrostat. I test drove the Shuttle, and while I can "Get used to it" I don't prefer it for the minor cost jump to the Hydro.
R3039H.
Specs I'm interested in:
- Quoted at $18,800 by the closer dealer, $19,400 by the other.
- Lift cap = 2250lbs
- breakout = 3457lbs
- rear pto = 29hp
- weight = 2780 (before loader), so guessing approx 4000lbs total?
Pros:
- Better visibility from seat due to smaller tractor.
- Easier maneuverability due to smaller tractor.
- The operators area actually seems more spacious, and I prefer the 4x4 & HST range lever positions over the 40 series
- Less weight (theoretically) equals less ground damage
- WEIGHT: my trailer is a 16' cargo with dual 3500lb axles. Trailer weighs 1500lbs, so I can carry 5500lbs (officially). My truck is rated to pull 6500lbs (officially). So, with the 4000lb R3039H, I can load the tractor, and say a pallet of firewood,
pumpkins, whatever... and still not tax the weight ratings of my truck or trailer. - Loader is still pretty powerful (especially compared to my little Kioti, 1074 lift capacity, 1515 breakout )
R4041H:
- Quoted at $20,400 by the 2nd dealer, still waiting on price from the closer dealer (he doesn't have any Hydro's on the lot but says he can get it)
- Lift cap = 2500
- Breakout = 4354
- Weight = 3813 before loader, guessing 5000lbs total?
- PTO HP = 33
Pros:
- Within $1000 of the 39
- (slightly) more lift capacity
- 900lbs more Breakout capacity
- 1000 more lbs of overall weight for more power & lifting ballast
- Loader reaches 5" higher.
So... that's what it comes down to. Ordinarily I'd say "For only $1000 you are getting WAY more tractor" which is still true, however, because of it's size, the 40 series will be, at times, a hinderance. Someday I'll get a bigger truck, and someday I'll get a bigger trailer, but I'm not going to do that anytime soon.
Is there anything I'm missing, or that I haven't considered? What exactly am I getting or losing by going with either one? Is the extra lift & breakout capacity going to be noticeably better in the 40'series? Is there something a 41hp 5000lb tractor can handle WAY better than a 38.5hp 4000lb tractor? I'm not planning on going bigger than 6' for implements anyhow, and most of the work will be loader work, with some grading, plowing, tilling, etc. I'm sure I can get accustomed to the larger size of the 41, while operating... but again, the larger size will cause problems of its' own.
Talk me into or out of either one so my brain can see an outside position!
Thanks in advance - hopefully my next TBN Thread will be a "here's my new LS ***** tractor!"
R3039 on the left, R4041 on the right...