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    Default Re: Here we go another problem !

    Quote Originally Posted by G3033H View Post
    Just to get it right the oil, filter ect. Had been changed 3 X and the filter alone had been changed 6 just FYI, it was also months b4 any problems reared there ugly head,
    I have read about that happening several times on ATV sites.
    They sink an ATV in muddy water. They flush the motor and change the oil. Motor runs fine so they think they got away with it. 10 hours later they spin a bearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DK35vince View Post
    I have read about that happening several times on ATV sites.
    They sink an ATV in muddy water. They flush the motor and change the oil. Motor runs fine so they think they got away with it. 10 hours later they spin a bearing.
    Is it usually main, or rod, bearings?

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    Default Re: Here we go another problem !

    Quote Originally Posted by GManBart View Post
    Is it usually main, or rod, bearings?
    I think rod bearings are more susceptible to water...


    I suspect that the engine in question for this thread, had more damage than just one bearing though, if they were looking for a whole new engine....

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    Default Re: Here we go another problem !

    Quote Originally Posted by GManBart View Post
    Is it usually main, or rod, bearings?
    From what I have read, it seems most often rod bearings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DK35vince View Post
    From what I have read, it seems most often rod bearings.

    Sunk my Honda Rincon in 2 times, once it floated to the surface and went belly up Both times I drained as much water as I could and rode it home. Once home I change the oil and the oil filter three times, air filter once, axle fluids twice and the radiator fluid was purged. Still going strong and its a 2004 (bought in 2003)-trust it with my life. Doesnt burn oil and transmission (has a torque converter like a car) isnt slipping at all even under load, plowing snow.
    I dont thnk diesels are as forgiving.
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    I would have been surprised to hear its normally main bearings, but you never know. Mains are usually significantly tighter, and that should help prevent anything big from being able to contaminate the soft bearing face, leading to heat, scoring, spinning, etc. Regardless, it's an ugly topic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singalo View Post
    Agreed, but that's not how Gary phrased it. I recon if you bash anything WITH anything hard enough, it will break.
    The way I phrased it is correct. You don't push with a box blade using a CUT. The lift arms are too fragile and will bend or break as the current post with the JD lift arm shows. The problem is not that you cant use the back of the blade to spread loose dirt and rocks but hitting an immovable object while going in reverse puts severe strain on the lift arms. Most of them on CUT wont stand that strain. The box blade, even the super light duty ones, are stronger that a CUT lift arms so they are the weak link.
    PUSH WITH IT IF YOU LIKE, AND AS YOU READ MY POST, PHRASE THEM HOWEVER YOU WANT. You likely wont get too many people to agree with you. If you have a FEL on your tractor, there is no need to ever push backward with the back blade.
    While on the subject, back dragging or even going forward with the FEL bucket is not suppose to be done with the bucket blade curled down at much more than 10 degrees for the same reason, hitting something like a stump might bend the bucket or break the hydraulic cylinders if they are fully extended.
    NOW do I do any of these things, heck yes but I don't recommend them to others due to the potential for mishap. I have a slight bow in the LS 7010 FEL bucket blade due to doing just what I have said not to do. Back dragging with the bucket tilted more than 10 degrees (more like 45) and hit a small stump that I didn't know was there and going too fast when I did it. A lot of my advise that I share is because I have been there, done that and paid for the consequences. Some times I get lucky when breaking the rules and don't damage the equipment but that doesn't mean that I would recommend to others to do it. Before I got my backhoe, I used the FEL to dig up huge rocks and point loaded the bucket heavily which should never be done and I would never recommend to others to do it. Sometimes we have to do with what we have, weigh the consequences of our actions with our ability to pay for them and then either proceed or decline. That is why we have free choices in life.
    Many times I may post advice as to not do some particular thing, all the while doing this myself, but I have years and year of tractor operation experience and pretty much know what "I" can do but not necessarily what a NOOB can do and not hurt either himself or his equipment. For example, I use my tractor with FEL to punch up a burning brush pile, pushing well into the flames to bunch the wood together, but I don't recommend this to others for reasons of safety. I guess you can say I am like the old preacher who was caught fooling around with one of the wifes, "Don't do as I DUZ, do as I say DUZ."
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    Gary:

    I didn't want to have to get into fine granularity on something like this. But what you and I are talking about is a matter of perspective.

    I don't disagree with anything you have said here. It's all perfectly logical. But it is still missing the point.

    There is a "Right Way" and a "Wrong Way" for everything. Or at least there are always "Better Ways" of doing something if not necessarily "Right".

    I have watched countless loads of topsoil and gavel spread with no ill effect whatsoever with box blades on small Cut Sized tractors. Maybe you would not Recommend ever pushing with a box blade because that is the only way to ensure that you never damage your tractor. Although even dragging a box blade into a stump at speed could do so. But my point is, and a valid one I believe, is that used properly, you absolutely can push with a box blade.

    So what does properly mean? Well, if you are laying gravel in your new driveway, or spreading topsoil on your lawn, propely would mean making certain that there are no stumps or rocks large enough and close enough to the surface that would cause a potential problem. It also would mean not driving at breakneck speeds, and having enough control over you tractor to be able to sense and stop when there is something going wrong. There is a reason box blades, even ones for SCUT's have double blades for pushing and pulling. And used correctly, a box blade is probably one of the most useful implements a person can own. If you are using it in a manner that could cause damage, then that is totally on the operator. You and I simply have a different perspective on this particular issue. And I think that a blanket statement saying that you can not, or should not push with a box blade discounts a whole lot of work that can actually be done safely with them. I think the manufacturers of these implements would agree. But that is my view on it, and now we have both had the opportunity to make our arguments.

    Thanks

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