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   / Potential new LS R3039H owner with landscaping questions #1  

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and new to this web site. This is a long post. I have decided on a LS, independently of this site which I just discovered, for all of the reasons most folks here have expressed and also found what I feel is probably a great dealer in Hartley Enterprises, Monetta, SC, that is 55 miles away. Hartley also sells Mahindra. And they automatically load the rear tires on any tractor they sell with a FEL.

I spent a lot of time test driving tractors. But LS is by far the best bang for the buck and had the only HST models that fit how I would want to use the go pedals. For just a little bit more, the R4041 is a lot more tractor, in my opinion. But I have to temper this as I believe a R3039 is all I need and its smaller size would work out better after the clearing is done.

I have read many posts and have learned a lot from the responses. This is my first real tractor and I will be using it to clear a 2 acre home site on 4.4 acres of densely wooded, rocky property in Blythewood, SC. I will also be creating a 475' circular driveway and large garden area, along with general landscaping around the house, once built by a contractor. Normally we only have clay and sand in this part of the country, but my new property is located in a pocket of mountain-type lots. The land in the areas I will be working is relatively level, sloping maybe 5 degrees maximum and with poor drainage due to the soil type, which also forces us to install an engineered septic system- meaning mini waste treatment plant.

Most of the trees I will be removing are 6" - 8" or less in diameter hardwood, with a few pine, with the much larger ones probably being left to pros, as required. The ground is covered with rocks ranging from fist sized (maybe 5%) to 12" - 16" oblong sized (85%) with the rest being somewhat larger. The largest (1%) are 24" - 32" in size. I can physically lift most of these smaller rocks, once pried out of the ground. Although some are two-person lifts. As a point of reference, we are youngish 60-somethings in age, in decent physical condition who walk, kayak and cycle for exercise whenever possible, with backs that have been abused over the years.

My initial goal and the most problematic is to build the driveway that happens to be in the most concentrated area of rocks, and I will curve it around the larger trees I do not want to remove. My problem is I have no experience removing rocks in this size and quantity. And of course they are not just surface rocks, as I have a difficult time driving 1/2" electrical conduit into the ground acting as markers, using a 3# sledge hammer.

I have investigated various web sites trying to learn as much as possible to select the proper equipment and methodologies and have come up with the following thoughts I would appreciate comments on:

1- Initially I had decided to get a 60" - 66" rock bucket with teeth, to try and pick up the rocks I could on the first pass by just skimming the box lightly across the ground, probably slightly under the surface. Following example: Rock Bucket.png

I might now would prefer a narrower bucket to make it easier to control the rock gathering. And a lot of folks on TBN seem to like the grapples a lot, as a general purpose gathering/carrying tool. So the following may be useful for several purposes, including rock gathering using the smaller bucket width: Grapple.png

2- 6' box blade: Use for general grading/gathering surface rocks and with the scarifiers tilted down, to bring embedded rocks to the surface for another pass with the rock bucket, along with removing tree roots in the garden and yard areas. I spent a lot of time on ETA's web site and learned a lot from the videos. I initially decided to get their 6 Foot Xtreme Duty Compact Box Blade by Everything Attachments but now wonder if its 403# of weigh is heavy enough? I like everything about this blade and their heavier duty model (this would be overkill) but am now wondering if the weight is enough. I also like the United 672HD, which weighs a bit more at 445#. And I like the scarifier pin configuration and the clevis pin attachments on all three models and have decided that whatever I get will have this configuration.

3- And enlightenment from these forums have convinced me I MUST HAVE a top and tilt set for the BB and have a quote from Fit Rite Hydraulics. I also have a bolt-on grab hook set coming from BoltOnHooks, so I can install these immediately after the tractor arrives. And as soon as I order the tractor, will also order a hydraulic set for the top and side links.

4- Stump bucket: To pick up/push the larger rocks, along with digging out stumps and making holes to plant fruit trees and as a general digging device. Such as Stump Bucket.png

5- A subsoiler to help with the drainage issues and possibly to help with surfacing any of the larger rocks. And as help for running underground lines of various types.

I also have a 1996 Jeep GC with a 9000# winch mounted in a winch bumper I plan to use as required, especially in coaxing any larger trees in the direction I want them to fall, which has been used in the past for this same purpose around the house.

Any comments on my methods and equipment choices would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
 
   / Potential new LS R3039H owner with landscaping questions #2  
Welcome to the forum!
I've had my R3039H for a year (135 hrs), and I love it! Not a single problem. I have about the same amount of property as you (6ac.), and the R3039H is the perfect size for me. I have a lot of trees, and it gets pretty tight, trying to maneuver around. I've got a six foot HD box blade, 48" grapple, and a stump bucket as well. Works well with all of my implements. You may want to consider a narrower style stump bucket, as it will be much easier to push into the ground, as compared to the more wedge shaped styles.
Check out some of my posts under 'stumps', 'stump buckets'.
I highly recommend the LS tractors.
Randy
 
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I also have a 1996 Jeep GC with a 9000# winch mounted in a winch bumper I plan to use as required, especially in coaxing any larger trees in the direction I want them to fall, which has been used in the past for this same purpose around the house.

I think you will find that something like an R3039H will do a better job of pulling trees than your Jeep and winch will. Get a long rope, tie it as high on the tree as possible, and have someone pulling in low range while you're doing the back cut, and very big trees will go exactly where you want them. My neighbor and I took down a tree on my property that was pretty close to power lines by using this method, and it was a big tree...the 28" bar on my Stihl 460 Magnum was barely big enough.

On the general sizing issue, I'd say that it's very common for people to wish they had gone bigger, and pretty rare to wish they had gone smaller. I started out looking at the R3039H, and wound up with an R4047H, and there are times when I wish I had something even bigger! There's a saying here along the lines of "tractors shrink when you bring them home". The R4041 is really only a couple of inches bigger than the 3039, but has a lot more capability, especially in the loader category.

There have been two times when I kind of wished my 4047 was smaller (doing landscaping close to the house), but it would have had to have been like 50% smaller to make a difference. Honestly, that has me sort of looking for a good, used sub-compact...kind of a glorified wheel barrow for my wife's gardening, but it also makes me think that adding the backhoe to the 4047 might do nearly the same thing, while adding additional capabilities. So many choices....:eek:
 
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RE tying tractor to trees, there is the post on this site somewhere, with a newspaper article of a guy who had a tree go the wrong way. It flipped his tractor and killed him. The "push the tree" or "pull the tree" method is best used on smallish trees. With big trees it might be best to let them go where they want (i.e.leaning) or get a pro, especially since there are no buildings to damage on the site yet.
 
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My Kubota B3300SU is an increment lighter than an LS R3039.

I do not think you will have enough FEL power for a rock bucket, heavy grapple nor stump bucket. All are HEAVY plus work beyond the bucket therefore lifting capacity is immediately reduced. There are lighter weight rake/grapples OK for your potential tractor~see LINK~but your tractor is still on the light side. Tractors are engineered to PULL NOT PUSH. You are asking the tractor to PUSH above tools.

Skid Steers, in contrast, are engineered to PUSH but are not versatile like tractor/loaders.

Consider a box blade of 600-700 pounds for your tractor, with scarifiers. The rippers will likely prize out the rocks you want removed and you can adjust the box height to pull large rocks along. ETA has well regarded box blades, just get a heavier model. "Rick" at ETA has given me excellent guidance when I have been unsure over implement selection. Tractors PULL box blades.

You can use the Box Blade with only one ripper, dropped all the way down, for your subsoiler. (Rippers are about $25 via Agri-Supply should you encounter an immovable boulder.)

A Bucket Spade is efficient for preparing holes for trees. You can excavate 4" stumps too. Following vender also has a quick attach Toothbar which you may wish to consider. Popular alternate to generic Toothbar is a Ratchet Rake, pictured.

BUCKET SPADE LINK:

Tractor Forks, Bucket Forks, Loader Forks

W.R. LONG RAKE/GRAPPLE LINK:

RBG
 

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   / Potential new LS R3039H owner with landscaping questions
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Thanks for all of the great advice. I "replied" to rwork and gmanbart early this morning, expecting to see my comments posted here, but they are not. So am using the "Reply to Thread" option this time.

rwork- Yes, I had previously read about your stump work and do not know how you got that big mama on the stump bucket and carted it around. And I am taking your advice concerning the stump bucket and changing my wish list to the CID model. I can see where due to its shape it could be a better digger. And I do like your example of what a R3039 can do in the field.

Per jeff9396's comment below, have you wanted for a larger tractor? I think the main difference between our properties and uses is the very large amount of rocks I need to contend with and the underlying soil is also very rocky.

gmanbart- Yes, that is exactly how I have taken down a few trees around the house using the winch and a radio remote control. Also had a live euclalyptus tree that was ~ 18' tall and leaning over my deck I pulled over with the Jeep/chain in 4wd-low with the chain ~ 8' up the trunk. But it did not have enough oomf to get the tap root out.
And your comment about a larger tractor struck home with my personality. I may go to a 4041 as it is just an additional $1400 for a lot more tractor, but have been fighting the urge.

gil case- Great points. There are a lot of pitfalls in bringing down trees. I am not qualified to do the big ones and would only be doing the maybe ~ 24" in diameter and below, depending upon the height. There are a couple in the way of the house I will have to choke down the urge to do myself and have pros do them. When it comes to risking my life, I would rather that others weed out the gene pool, like the one you mentioned.

That said, I almost lost it in a whitewater rafting incident 2 months ago. I have no idea how I made it to shore after being tossed like a rag doll through multiple rapids. And I now have no confidence in PFD's, as mine did little to keep my head above water as the rapids kept tumbling me against the bottom. That little incident sure toned down my desire for that sport somewhat... and do not mind if the kayaks stay dry again this year.

jeff9396- Can you provide any BB suggestions? I would be purchasing new as anything on Craig's List around here that is old and rusted is advertised for near new prices.
 
   / Potential new LS R3039H owner with landscaping questions
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jeff9396, I did not see your attachments until now. That spade looks handy. But being a neophyte on these matters, I have been concerned about attaching devices to the bucket and having heavy weight combined with hydraulic power damage the bucket at the attachment points. Plus I think I may need more reach than this.

Any idea how these would work at the end on forks?

How thick is the steel? The web site does not give particulars. But the video is impressive.
 
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Bucket Spade is designed so it can be secured over pallet forks. The spade is heavier built than any forks I have encountered, so forks would be the weak link.

I mount Bucket Spade directly on my bucket. There is 15" of support under the bucket, the pads are 4" in diameter and the fit is fairly close BEFORE you tighten the screws/pads with a wrench. When secured BS is integral to your bucket. I have not damaged my bucket despite considerable use of the BS; just faint paint scuffs where pads engage.

I have dug holes 4' deep, probably could go deeper by working in a circle but have not had the need.

In light digging you use the bucket hydraulics.

For heavy work you position the spade, then drive the tractor forward in HST/LOW with 4-WD engaged, pushing the blade into the ground. You have infinite reach and NO load on bucket hydraulics in motive mode.

An effective FEL tool for not much money.

(However, the 1,200 pound rated Platform Dolly was $299, delivered, from eBay vender. If Ratchet Rake was not presently on the bucket it would lie next to the Bucket Spade. At age 65++ I try to spare my back. I can pick up the Bucket Spade or the RR with the bucket, directly off the dolly.)

Bucket Spade weighs 110 pounds; A BEAST.

LINKS:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/266341-trees-removed-roots-using-fel.html

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/258433-florida-planting-sand-pears-kubota.html

PHOTOS TODAY:
 

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   / Potential new LS R3039H owner with landscaping questions #9  
I pull a 630 pound Bush Hog (brand) Rollover Box Blade. Rollover Box Blades are an anachronism but I am prone to experimentation so I bought one. MtnViewRanch/Fit Rite Hydraulics is the T-B-N Guru on ROBBs, coincidentally. He has Gannon Earthcavators, industrial strength.

Nothing wrong with a Box Blade from ETA. I have purchased three implements from ETA, two built by ETA, with satisfaction other than minor quibbles about paint chips on 1/3 implements.

72" Category I&II XTreme Duty Box Blade by Everything Attachments - 635 pounds

In Florida sandy-loam this would work fine. With your rocky tierra it might stall out before filling, which would do you no good. Rippers engagement might anchor it; no good. Price proportioned to weight.

Perhaps this one:

Everything Attachments 66 XTreme Duty Compact Tractor Box Blade - 377 pounds

Hydraulically operated Top Link will allow you to easily tilt BB for max bite with the box. This may compensate for what I consider light weight.

I would discuss your soil and tractor with "RICK" I have followed his advice and been happy. His advice for final selection would be more valuable than mine. Really.

I would NOT want a Box Blade wider than the rear tires. Full or empty Box Blades are ponderous, inhibiting tool behind you. ( Think Jaws ) ETA is the only supplier making a 66" wide Box Blade. (Smart positioning.) May be ideal width for your contemplated tractor.

Consider implement weight per foot of box width, not gross weight of implement, for good performance.

FOR FUN: ROLLOVER BOX BLADE LINK:

Free Gannon Earthcavator - YouTube
 

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Even though the r3039 would be "big enough" to handle your needs, I would still recommend going up to the r4041 or 47. Tractors shrink fast, and your perception will quickly move from "too big" to "just right" to "too small" faster than you think.
 

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