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Old 11-04-2009, 02:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default ML 105 Hyd. Quick Connects

Hello All,
This is more of a question for the hydraulics forum but Im hoping to see if any of the dealers or "Rback33" would chime in with a silver bullet.
I've got a 2415 HST which I have built a frame mounted snowplow for. All fabrication is complete and I am now finalizing the hydraulic connections. I have hoses that came with the plow parts that I purchased. When in use I will remove the loader and the plow hydraulic lift/angle will be controlled with the loader valve, not the first time this has been done. This is my first hydraulic project so I spent seval days on TBN researching fittings, hoses, threads etc. As many others have done, I used Discount Hydraulic Hose to purchase parts from using their helpful diagram that helps identify the size and type of quick connects. Mine matched right up to ISO 1/2" 7241 1-A type. Since that is almost an "industry standard" for CUTs, I was headed in the right direction, So I placed my order for 2 pairs and a bunch of misc fittings to adapt to my hoses.
The fittings come in and they dont fit. I can see clearly when I take them out of the box they are too big. I check them quickly on the machine to confirm. I call DHH to get an RMA # to return them and speak with Ken and we "determine" there was probably a problem with the print settings on my computer and it matched up with the wrong size on the print out. I clearly need the size smaller - 3/8" I return all the fittings and place order for 3/8 QD and fittings. They come, I open the box and the 3/8 are too small
At this point I'm a little frustrated, mainly because i've paid more in shipping than what either of my orders were worth!
I realize at this point I've been a little too cavalier about this and I need to do some more research. They QD on my tractor area all "Faster" brand, Series NV. Before I placed my original order I found something somewhere that said NV series are all ISO 7241 1-A interchangable so I didnt give it a second though. What is stamped on the QD is "Faster NV 38-38 SAE" on both the male and female. I went to the Faster Website and pulled up their catalog for the NV series and that model is all by its lonesome in the chart with an asterik by it that means "on request." WHAT? see attached for chart. Also a note for the NV series at the beginning of catalog says ISO 7241-1 Part A interchageability (1/2 size only). THe catalog confirms mine are definitely (considered) 3/8" (to whom other than faster, i don't know). So It appears that my tractor has the rarest QD on the planet that are available on request with no known interchangeability.

So in speaking with Ken at DHH it seems the direction I need to go in is find a Faster distributor, purchase them through the dealer or convert all the QD to something else. I thought I would pose the situation to the braintrust that is TBN to see if someone has a good solution or has run into this before since I am constantly amazed at the experience and knowledge of others here. I'm scared to call the dealer and ask how much the QD's are to buy from them.
Thanks for any help you can provide.
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: ML 105 Hyd. Quick Connects

Maybe you can find some info here. There are some interchange between some manufactures

SafeWay’s S56 Series quick couplings meet International Standard ISO 7241-1

http://www.safewayhyd.com/pdfs/7900.pdf

Agricultural Quick Couplings - SafeWay Hydraulics -

http://safewayhyd.thomasnet.com/view...s-2?&forward=1

http://www.ryco.com.au/PDF/Accessori...0Couplings.pdf
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Have you tried your Mahindra dealer?
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:44 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Not yet. I did check online parts diagram and price list from New England Tractor just after I posted. It seems they are available at a pretty reasonable price for the Male connectors. The females are twice as much. I need to confirm which I need. I will call my dealer and talk to him about it.
I knew that the world of hydraulics was complicated but I didnt know it could be so "selectively standardized." I was (still am) nieve about the range of choices out there. I've pissed away about $50 in shipping costs to learn this lesson, but thats one of the more inexpensive lessons to date
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:20 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks for looking at our site, we have both the male and females on the shelf in you need them. any questions feel free to call us toll free 866-393-0642
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Old 11-13-2009, 07:03 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Sorry.. little late to the party here... I was actually out of town most of the last two weeks. Johnson's have the couplers... that's the best bet.. pm me and email addy and I can show you some photos of a home made plow on that same tractor.
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Old 11-14-2009, 11:57 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Not yet. I did check online parts diagram and price list from New England Tractor just after I posted. It seems they are available at a pretty reasonable price for the Male connectors. The females are twice as much. I need to confirm which I need. I will call my dealer and talk to him about it.
I knew that the world of hydraulics was complicated but I didnt know it could be so "selectively standardized." I was (still am) nieve about the range of choices out there. I've pissed away about $50 in shipping costs to learn this lesson, but thats one of the more inexpensive lessons to date
I have to ask. Why are you so afraid of dealers?

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Old 11-14-2009, 07:36 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I'm not afraid of dealers. I was purchasing a bunch of other fittings for my project and I was doing so online mainly because of convenience, I can do it at home after work. I purchased my quick connectors online also because they appeared to be "generic" at the time. Once the first QC were wrong from my online order I could only get store credit and I was trying to use it up. If I wasn't so foolish in the beginning and realized this was only a dealer part, I would have gone there first.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:58 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I'm scared to call the dealer and ask how much the QD's are to buy from them.
The only reason I ask is I see this all the time, the perception that that dealer will be sky high but an online hydraulics or filter or parts vender will be cheaper. I am not giving you a hard time I promise. Just trying to tap into you as a customer because I am always trying to come up with ways to change that perception for my customers. I want them to call me before they call surplus center, not that there is anything wrong with venders like them but most of the time I am the same price or less, I'm local and I absorb the mistakes not the customer. So, what could the dealer have done to be the first guy you wanted to call vs. the last?

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Old 11-17-2009, 10:01 PM   #10 (permalink)
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My local tractor dealers are double the cost of buying online. My local hydraulic dealers are anywhere from 3 to 6 times the price of buying online. I only buy local if it is absolutely necessary. I would love to buy local, but our local guys apparently think that they need to charge enough to pay their mortgage with each and every sale.

Oh, and before you say, well that is what it cost to buy American, no that is what they charge for the Chinese stuff.
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