"00" starting problem

Maine_Polack · 11-18-2005, 06:00 PM

Having problem starting the critter. Battery is charged, and connections are clean; battery, ground, and starter. Upon turning the key it would not turn over fast enough. Just a slooow rrrrr......rrrrrr.

Now I graduated to only one weak rrrrrr. I didn't have this problem until I tried to start it at 30 degrees. Yesterday was 40 out and it started right up twice. Today I even plugged in the block heater, but made no difference.

Any suggestions of what to do next? Thanks.

KTM_TONY · 11-18-2005, 06:30 PM

Sounds like a bad battery. Take the battery to a auto parts store and let them load test it. Just take one bad cell in freezing temp to zap it.

Tony

Maine_Polack · 11-18-2005, 08:36 PM

I have a load tester. The battery is right up there.

BobG_in_VA · 11-19-2005, 10:10 AM

If the battery's OK, then check your ground wire. Until I did some scrapping and tightening I would get nothing.(You may have already done this, I'm not sure). Worth a try though. Let us know. BobG in VA

Maine_Polack · 11-19-2005, 05:54 PM

Yeah...all connections were cleaned. Today I plugged it in for 4 hrs, and it started right up. Then it would start up fine all afternoon. Warm engine I'm supposing.

It, at the present time, definitly seems related to the temp. upon starting. Perhaps some connection, (in the starter ?), is not making contact when it is cold.

Dealer said he would send a new starter if it persists.

Charlie_in_TX · 11-21-2005, 05:59 PM

MP, If your battery is producing full voltage under load, take a voltmeter and see how much voltage you have at the starter (after the solinoid). If it is at ar near the battery voltage under same load, I would say the starter is bad. If you have more than a few tenths of a volt drop, find were it is and fix it.

rvaitor · 11-23-2005, 08:56 PM

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( If the battery's OK, then check your ground wire. Until I did some scrapping and tightening I would get nothing.(You may have already done this, I'm not sure). Worth a try though. Let us know. BobG in VA )</font>

Are you talking about the ground wire that attaches to the solinoid?

I am getting nothing - not even a click - have cleaned and tried to recheck everything. Is there a relay and if so a way to check it? I noticed on the wiring diagram a 10a fuse in line to the relay that glows the glow plugs.

Have checked to make sure I'm in neutral as well.

frank360 · 11-23-2005, 10:03 PM

I would think your glow plugs is the problem what kind of tractor you have.

hudr · 11-23-2005, 11:41 PM

has the tractor ever been ethered? We had an N14 Cummins that exhibited the same behavior once. Turns out the bendix in the starter was bent from somebody over-ethering the motor. Just barely though. You could put the starter on a bench and it would work fine. Throw a load on it and it would grind like a low battery as it grounded out.

BobG_in_VA · 11-24-2005, 10:01 AM

Ain't no glow plug in the 00 series. They are direct inject. I understand there is a feul "warmer" (my term) but these engines do not have the typical manifold glowplug. Sounds like the solenoid to me, especially if you can jump it straight to the starter. BobG in VA

11-18-2005, 06:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
Maine_Polack Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Central Maine Posts: 308	\"00\" starting problem Having problem starting the critter. Battery is charged, and connections are clean; battery, ground, and starter. Upon turning the key it would not turn over fast enough. Just a slooow rrrrr......rrrrrr. Now I graduated to only one weak rrrrrr. I didn't have this problem until I tried to start it at 30 degrees. Yesterday was 40 out and it started right up twice. Today I even plugged in the block heater, but made no difference. Any suggestions of what to do next? Thanks.

11-18-2005, 06:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
KTM_TONY Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: TX Posts: 20	Re: \"00\" starting problem Sounds like a bad battery. Take the battery to a auto parts store and let them load test it. Just take one bad cell in freezing temp to zap it. Tony

11-18-2005, 08:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
Maine_Polack Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Central Maine Posts: 308	Re: \"00\" starting problem I have a load tester. The battery is right up there.

11-19-2005, 10:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
BobG_in_VA Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Northern VA, USA Posts: 1,130	Re: \"00\" starting problem If the battery's OK, then check your ground wire. Until I did some scrapping and tightening I would get nothing.(You may have already done this, I'm not sure). Worth a try though. Let us know. BobG in VA

11-19-2005, 05:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
Maine_Polack Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Central Maine Posts: 308	Re: \"00\" starting problem Yeah...all connections were cleaned. Today I plugged it in for 4 hrs, and it started right up. Then it would start up fine all afternoon. Warm engine I'm supposing. It, at the present time, definitly seems related to the temp. upon starting. Perhaps some connection, (in the starter ?), is not making contact when it is cold. Dealer said he would send a new starter if it persists.

11-21-2005, 05:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
Charlie_in_TX Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 475	Re: \"00\" starting problem MP, If your battery is producing full voltage under load, take a voltmeter and see how much voltage you have at the starter (after the solinoid). If it is at ar near the battery voltage under same load, I would say the starter is bad. If you have more than a few tenths of a volt drop, find were it is and fix it.

11-23-2005, 08:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
rvaitor Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nashville, TN / Hickory, NC Posts: 335	Re: \"00\" starting problem </font><font color="blue" class="small">( If the battery's OK, then check your ground wire. Until I did some scrapping and tightening I would get nothing.(You may have already done this, I'm not sure). Worth a try though. Let us know. BobG in VA )</font> Are you talking about the ground wire that attaches to the solinoid? I am getting nothing - not even a click - have cleaned and tried to recheck everything. Is there a relay and if so a way to check it? I noticed on the wiring diagram a 10a fuse in line to the relay that glows the glow plugs. Have checked to make sure I'm in neutral as well.

11-23-2005, 10:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
frank360 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lakeland, LA Posts: 72	Re: \"00\" starting problem I would think your glow plugs is the problem what kind of tractor you have.

11-23-2005, 11:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
hudr Platinum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NE Texas Posts: 564	Re: \"00\" starting problem has the tractor ever been ethered? We had an N14 Cummins that exhibited the same behavior once. Turns out the bendix in the starter was bent from somebody over-ethering the motor. Just barely though. You could put the starter on a bench and it would work fine. Throw a load on it and it would grind like a low battery as it grounded out.

11-24-2005, 10:01 AM	#10 (permalink)
BobG_in_VA Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Northern VA, USA Posts: 1,130	Re: \"00\" starting problem Ain't no glow plug in the 00 series. They are direct inject. I understand there is a feul "warmer" (my term) but these engines do not have the typical manifold glowplug. Sounds like the solenoid to me, especially if you can jump it straight to the starter. BobG in VA

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