Mahindra 4110 gear vs. JD 3520hydro

[praha]

skipmarcy,
I have checked the FORD web site and also few F150 pages. They say 2004 F 150 with 5,4 motor, 3,73 gear and towing package... 9600 lb towing limit. That's with 17" wheels, and since I have a Lariat w/ 18" wheels I should go down at least 500lb./that's from another webside../ So, my trailer /2 axles 3500/ both axles w/the brakes weights 1700lb , plus a tractor w/ FEL let's say 6000lb. I should be OK if the towing # are correct. In a case I go with 3510, it would be less, since 3510 is 500 lb. lighter.

brandi,
I have a cap on my truck. When this weather here with a constant overcast in the winter p**** me off to the point that I can stand it any more, I just jump in my truck,throw my bike and gear and whatever there, and south I go. When I stop 10 hours later , the cap comes handy. It's locked.

[Dougster]

Originally Posted by skipmarcy

Are you sure about that F150 towing 9,000 lbs.? My 2000 F250 Super Duty 4x4 is only rated for 12,000. Don't forget about your trailer weight and implements on your tractor and fluid in your tires in figuring your weight. I used my 4110 commercially for 2 years and of course towed it extensively - you really have to know your equipment to tow it safely. My 20' flat trailer weighs 3,000 lbs. alone. With the loader & fluid in my rear tires, my tractor is right around 7,000 lbs. If I had gotten my tractor before the trailer, I would have gotten a longer trailer too. Very tricky getting the equipment loaded and having the proper tongue weight. With a 6' rotary cutter mounted I have to back onto the trailer and the tailwheel is up close to the tongue jack to get the proper weight distribution. My trailer has brakes on both axles too - wouldn't even attempt to haul it with just brakes on one axle. Some points to consider ....

I'll second all of this... and then some! I would not want to be towing my ~7,000 lb 4110 (tires not loaded but 509BH mounted) with an F150. Since my minimally adequate 20FT, 10KLB equipment trailer weighs nearly 3,000 lbs all by itself, I'd be well over the 9,000 lbs rating anyway. My 2006 Chevy 2500HD (w/tow package and heavy-duty plow suspension) is rated for towing 12,000 lbs and I consider it just barely adequate for my ~10,000 lb towing needs. Having some margin is *very* cool. If you are stuck towing with the F150, maybe the lighter lime green machine makes more sense.

Too bad 'cause big weight rules!!!

Dougster

p.s., Opps - Just noticed above that your trailer is 7,000 lb rated... so you should be fine with the F-150 and a 7,000 lb maximum towing load. If the trailer weighs 1,700 lbs... you obviously need to stay somewhere below 5,300 lbs on the tractor to be legal (and at least minimally safe). That's roughly a 4110 plus ML112 with no BH or loaded tires, etc. I still wouldn't want to tow a Mahindra-sized tractor in that 35-40 HP class on a 7,000 lb trailer... but maybe that's just me. -d

[praha]

Dougster,
you absolutely right, but I have no choice. I'd lose my butt if a traded my truck for 2500. Plus I baby my truck, never saw a salt, I use it only on a major summer holidays and my birthday. Highway only.lol. I just can't sell it.

I can upgrade my trailer for 10000 # , and that trailer will be heavier.
Something to reconsider, I agree. I like a /yellow/ trailer on eBay made by a company in Sickerton/sp?/MO, .....I e mailed him and he says his trailer is 10000# and 2500 lb. Very nice trailer.

4110 w/ FEL. 6000 #roughly.

Joe

[Dougster]

Originally Posted by praha

Dougster,
you absolutely right, but I have no choice. I'd lose my butt if a traded my truck for 2500. Plus I baby my truck, never saw a salt, I use it only on a major summer holidays and my birthday. Highway only. lol. I just can't sell it.
I can upgrade my trailer for 10000# , and that trailer will be heavier.
Something to reconsider, I agree. I like a /yellow/ trailer on eBay made by a company in Sickerton/sp?/MO, .....I e mailed him and he says his trailer is 10000# and 2500 lb. Very nice trailer. 4110 w/ FEL. 6000 #roughly. Joe

Hi Joe - Believe me when I tell you that I *do* understand life's little realities and limitations. Boy, do I ever!!!
If I had to do it all over again, I would buy a 12,000 lb rated trailer instead of the 10,000 lb model. I'd like a bit more design margin in the axles/tires. The trailer weight is not that much higher. In fact, I may trade up this summer anyway if it turns out I can afford it. 20-ft is a real nice compromise length... not as good as 22-ft or 24-ft, but easier to manuver and store. I'd also go gooseneck if I could. For now, I can't.

The 4110 w/FEL alone is about 5,219 lbs. Your 6,000 lbs must include loaded tires? Regardless, I'd feel much better towing a 4110 on a 10,000 lb rated trailer than a 7,000 lb rated trailer... and even better on a 12,000 lb rated trailer. If you are not going to transport with BH, mower, bush-hog, etc. attached, you probably could go down to 18-ft... even 16-ft in a pinch... to save a little weight and storage hassle.

Dougster

[Keith_B]

I was pretty impressed with my 4110 this past weekend. I bought some monster rolls of hay, the 1200-1500 lb range. I wrapped a chain around the bale and used my hooks on the bucket corners as the anchor points. Curled the bucket back and lifted the bale right off the ground without a grunt. Started to backup and went nowhere in 2wd. The back wheels were barely making contact with the ground. I hooked up the box blade to add some weight and had no problems with the bale.

Handling that size of bale with only a bb for extra ballast is a pretty good task for that size of CUT. You couldn't do that with the lighter JD, NH, MF or Kubota CUTs.

[bindian]

Originally Posted by Dougster

I'll second all of this... and then some! I would not want to be towing my ~7,000 lb 4110 (tires not loaded but 509BH mounted) with an F150. Since my minimally adequate 20FT, 10KLB equipment trailer weighs nearly 3,000 lbs all by itself, I'd be well over the 9,000 lbs rating anyway. My 2006 Chevy 2500HD (w/tow package and heavy-duty plow suspension) is rated for towing 12,000 lbs and I consider it just barely adequate for my ~10,000 lb towing needs. Having some margin is *very* cool. If you are stuck towing with the F150, maybe the lighter lime green machine makes more sense.

Too bad 'cause big weight rules!!!

Dougster

p.s., Opps - Just noticed above that your trailer is 7,000 lb rated... so you should be fine with the F-150 and a 7,000 lb maximum towing load. If the trailer weighs 1,700 lbs... you obviously need to stay somewhere below 5,300 lbs on the tractor to be legal (and at least minimally safe). That's roughly a 4110 plus ML112 with no BH or loaded tires, etc. I still wouldn't want to tow a Mahindra-sized tractor in that 35-40 HP class on a 7,000 lb trailer... but maybe that's just me. -d

If you get farm tags on your trailer, you shouldn't get pulled over for a slightly over grossed trailer weight. At least I haven't heard of it down here in Texas.
hugs, Brandi

[Dougster]

Originally Posted by bindian

If you get farm tags on your trailer, you shouldn't get pulled over for a slightly over grossed trailer weight. At least I haven't heard of it down here in Texas. hugs, Brandi

Not sure if your comment was directed at me or Joe (or both of us!)... but no farm tags possible for me up here in Eastern Taxachusetts. I simply don't qualify. The rules on farm tags are very strict up here.

Texas is a different world. Still, I'm not sure I'd want to run very far over-loaded anyway. That 10K trailer looks awfully darn strained with that 4110/ML112/509 sitting on it!

Like I said... I really should have bought the 12K.

Dougster

[bindian]

Originally Posted by Dougster

Not sure if your comment was directed at me or Joe (or both of us!)... but no farm tags possible for me up here in Eastern Taxachusetts. I simply don't qualify. The rules on farm tags are very strict up here.

Texas is a different world. Still, I'm not sure I'd want to run very far over-loaded anyway. That 10K trailer looks awfully darn strained with that 4110/ML112/509 sitting on it!

Like I said... I really should have bought the 12K.

Dougster

Dougster,
I agree not to go too far over weight. I do believe when a person goes over 10,000 they should consider getting a gooseneck. Even 7,000 pounds on my friends 16 foot bumper pull lowboy beat me to death on bad roads. Goosenecks have more room, less stress on the tow vehicle and driver and less weight over the trailer axles. I weighed my 20 foot lowboy a week ago and it had 2660 pounds on the axles. I am not sure how much weight is over my truck axle, but it helps traction there. My trailer is also bigger than I first wanted. It is rated for 14,000 pounds, so now when I upgrade tractors, trailer gross weight won't be a factor.
Joe,
I have seen half camper shells on pickups, so you can pull a gooseneck and still have some bed cover and lockable storage.
hugs, Brandi

[Dougster]

Originally Posted by bindian

Dougster, I agree not to go too far over weight. I do believe when a person goes over 10,000 they should consider getting a gooseneck. Even 7,000 pounds on my friends 16 foot bumper pull lowboy beat me to death on bad roads. Goosenecks have more room, less stress on the tow vehicle and driver and less weight over the trailer axles. I weighed my 20 foot lowboy a week ago and it had 2660 pounds on the axles. I am not sure how much weight is over my truck axle, but it helps traction there. My trailer is also bigger than I first wanted. It is rated for 14,000 pounds, so now when I upgrade tractors, trailer gross weight won't be a factor.
Joe, I have seen half camper shells on pickups, so you can pull a gooseneck and still have some bed cover and lockable storage. hugs, Brandi

Hi Brandi - No arguments from me on goosenecks. If I could have one... believe me, I'd have one!

Dougster