Massey vs. Kioti

jarbill · 01-04-2008, 01:12 AM

I've been looking at a M-F 1533 for a couple of weeks now and I like the tractor. The dealer also sells Kioti tractors, but he kind of pooh-poohed the Kioti tractors in favor of M-F. I've seen several of the other posts about Kioti, and they seem to be well-liked by their owners. I haven't seen too many different problems that have been talked about. Does anybody have any input about cost comparisons, FEL capabilities, parts availability, service, etc? Just anything would be helpful. I just want to get the most tractor for the buck for what I need to do. I like the FEL specs on the Massey 1533, but I don't really know anything about the Kioti's.

Jerry in Texas

JerryG · 01-04-2008, 01:39 AM

Hello Jerry and welcome to TBN.
The Massey will more than likely be a little more expensive. The Massey parts are not a problem. Most can be had in a day two if you are in a hurry. The 1533 is a very well thought out machine and has been very dependable for its owners.
If you will check at the top, I sent you a private message.

swampvol · 01-04-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jarbill

I've been looking at a M-F 1533 for a couple of weeks now and I like the tractor. The dealer also sells Kioti tractors, but he kind of pooh-poohed the Kioti tractors in favor of M-F. I've seen several of the other posts about Kioti, and they seem to be well-liked by their owners. I haven't seen too many different problems that have been talked about. Does anybody have any input about cost comparisons, FEL capabilities, parts availability, service, etc? Just anything would be helpful. I just want to get the most tractor for the buck for what I need to do. I like the FEL specs on the Massey 1533, but I don't really know anything about the Kioti's.

Jerry in Texas

The main reason I went with kubota over kioti was dealer support. I have 3 kubota dealers in the area, and only one (new) kioti dealer.
I would be careful if this dealer "poo-poohed the kioti..."
It might be that he's considering dropping them.

Other than that the kioti seems like a solid, well designed tractor.

ToadHill · 01-04-2008, 02:01 PM

I wonder which has a larger margin of profit for him, I'll bet its the Massey.

rtdiggr · 01-04-2008, 02:46 PM

I have a 1433v MF that i am very happy with it.

Shane

chh · 01-04-2008, 03:32 PM

I have a 1433V with a FEL. Has been a great tractor. MF parts are easy to get(not that I ever need many) and dealer support has been great for me. I have a Kioti dealer closer but is not really much cheaper than MF and changes brands he deals in every time the wind changes, so I didn't have much confidence in him being there when I needed something.
Of course I also have a MF 4243 and MF 596 so I might be a little biased.

IXLR8 · 01-04-2008, 05:27 PM

I am in the process of buying a Kioti, dealer network is a concern. Older tractors had some issues with the FEL torque tube cracking. The loader has been redesigned and strengthening kits have been provided for the older loader arms. Kioti was not as responsive as the owners would have liked with this issue. I am going with the Kioti for ergonomic issues, they just fit me better. I fit the JD's as well, but that green paint is too expensive for me. My local dealer is not so good, but there are lots of good dealers that will help at a moments notice with parts or advice, several on Sunday's as well!!

They are a good solid tractor, have a good warranty. I am fairly good with a wrench if I need to work on the tractor, which is why local dealer is not terribly important to me. If you are not mechanically inclined and need the dealer to do most of the work on the machine... I would go with the better dealer rather than saving a few dollars.

davitk · 01-04-2008, 05:51 PM

I would agree that the Kioti is likely a very good machine but dealer stability is questionable, at least near me. Nearest was 2 hours, his inventory was old, and he kept repeating that the 'Koreans' don't run a company like the rest of the world, namely no factory rep and having to call Kioti in Korea to answer any questions. Sounded like he was disenchanted and on his way out. Again, likely a good machine, with an unbeatable price, but watch the dealer.

MASSEYDEALER · 01-04-2008, 06:32 PM

We looked to take on Kioti before M/F. I did not like the support from Kioti. They did not have a good long term plan for there dealers. They keep saying we made Kubota in the 70's and some of are tractors use Kubota and John Deere engines.
If you trade/sell a M/F-Agco, John Deere, Kubota and CNH-ford you will do good. If you trade/sell anything else you will not be happy with the out come

BTI · 01-04-2008, 09:09 PM

A John Deere engine...........
Thats a new one.
Sounds more like the old Scorpion/Millenium
They used Kubota and JD engines.
Kioti has never had ANY association with JD.

BTI

01-04-2008, 01:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
jarbill Bronze Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 51	Massey vs. Kioti I've been looking at a M-F 1533 for a couple of weeks now and I like the tractor. The dealer also sells Kioti tractors, but he kind of pooh-poohed the Kioti tractors in favor of M-F. I've seen several of the other posts about Kioti, and they seem to be well-liked by their owners. I haven't seen too many different problems that have been talked about. Does anybody have any input about cost comparisons, FEL capabilities, parts availability, service, etc? Just anything would be helpful. I just want to get the most tractor for the buck for what I need to do. I like the FEL specs on the Massey 1533, but I don't really know anything about the Kioti's. Jerry in Texas

01-04-2008, 01:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
JerryG Super Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Northwest Arkansas Posts: 6,917	Re: Massey vs. Kioti Hello Jerry and welcome to TBN. The Massey will more than likely be a little more expensive. The Massey parts are not a problem. Most can be had in a day two if you are in a hurry. The 1533 is a very well thought out machine and has been very dependable for its owners. If you will check at the top, I sent you a private message. __________________ My Photos My OTHER Photos

01-04-2008, 02:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
ToadHill Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Catt county New York Posts: 1,468	Re: Massey vs. Kioti I wonder which has a larger margin of profit for him, I'll bet its the Massey. __________________ I can't control my day but I can control my attitude.

01-04-2008, 02:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
rtdiggr Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ont. Canada Posts: 352	Re: Massey vs. Kioti I have a 1433v MF that i am very happy with it. Shane

01-04-2008, 03:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
chh Platinum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Eastern OK Posts: 762	Re: Massey vs. Kioti I have a 1433V with a FEL. Has been a great tractor. MF parts are easy to get(not that I ever need many) and dealer support has been great for me. I have a Kioti dealer closer but is not really much cheaper than MF and changes brands he deals in every time the wind changes, so I didn't have much confidence in him being there when I needed something. Of course I also have a MF 4243 and MF 596 so I might be a little biased. __________________ Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. Will Rogers The farmer is the only man in our economy who buys everything at retail, sells everything at wholesale and pays the freight both ways. John F. Kennedy

01-04-2008, 05:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
IXLR8 Platinum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mid-Coast Maine Posts: 537	Re: Massey vs. Kioti I am in the process of buying a Kioti, dealer network is a concern. Older tractors had some issues with the FEL torque tube cracking. The loader has been redesigned and strengthening kits have been provided for the older loader arms. Kioti was not as responsive as the owners would have liked with this issue. I am going with the Kioti for ergonomic issues, they just fit me better. I fit the JD's as well, but that green paint is too expensive for me. My local dealer is not so good, but there are lots of good dealers that will help at a moments notice with parts or advice, several on Sunday's as well!! They are a good solid tractor, have a good warranty. I am fairly good with a wrench if I need to work on the tractor, which is why local dealer is not terribly important to me. If you are not mechanically inclined and need the dealer to do most of the work on the machine... I would go with the better dealer rather than saving a few dollars. __________________ Jim - Husky W4814- 48" walk behind lawn mower. For my 1.7 acres of lawn. - '06 Kioti CK30 HST - KL130 loader w/reinforcing bracket, SS QA, LK3054 QA bucket, engine coolant heater, dual rear remotes, KB2375 Backhoe w/thumb, 7ft 6 way rear blade, chains front/rear, loaded rear tires, Kioti Canopy. For eveything else.

01-04-2008, 05:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
davitk Platinum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: South Central Wisconsin Posts: 889	Re: Massey vs. Kioti I would agree that the Kioti is likely a very good machine but dealer stability is questionable, at least near me. Nearest was 2 hours, his inventory was old, and he kept repeating that the 'Koreans' don't run a company like the rest of the world, namely no factory rep and having to call Kioti in Korea to answer any questions. Sounded like he was disenchanted and on his way out. Again, likely a good machine, with an unbeatable price, but watch the dealer.

01-04-2008, 06:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
MASSEYDEALER Bronze Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Medina Ohio Posts: 88	Re: Massey vs. Kioti We looked to take on Kioti before M/F. I did not like the support from Kioti. They did not have a good long term plan for there dealers. They keep saying we made Kubota in the 70's and some of are tractors use Kubota and John Deere engines. If you trade/sell a M/F-Agco, John Deere, Kubota and CNH-ford you will do good. If you trade/sell anything else you will not be happy with the out come

01-04-2008, 09:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
BTI Platinum Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Nelsonville, Ohio Posts: 538	Re: Massey vs. Kioti A John Deere engine........... Thats a new one. Sounds more like the old Scorpion/Millenium They used Kubota and JD engines. Kioti has never had ANY association with JD. BTI __________________ EARTH FIRST----We'll Clear-cut the other planets LATER *****The poster formerly known as Kiohio**** 740-753-9242

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