Shuttle vs Manual vs Hydro

[Doty]

Still in the hunt for my next tractor. I'm now looking at the Jinma vs Massey in the 25 to 30 hp range. I've spent a lot of time looking at both and the Massey has an advantage in a couple areas: local service and the "shuttle shift" transmission, although I can't exactly find out what that is. Any thoughts?

[DMF]

Originally Posted by Doty

Still in the hunt for my next tractor. I'm now looking at the Jinma vs Massey in the 25 to 30 hp range. I've spent a lot of time looking at both and the Massey has an advantage in a couple areas: local service and the "shuttle shift" transmission, although I can't exactly find out what that is. Any thoughts?

Shuttle means you stay in any gear you're currently in but you can shift another lever to go forward or backward...

[dex3361]

Welcome to TBN. Basicly a shuttle shift is a standard transmission that has a forward reverse lever and you can clutch in and change directions in any gear. This is the standard trans. to have. Though I Prefer HST for my type of work (loader,rotary cutting and blade scraper work on hilly terrain).

[tractorski]

The Power shuttle that massey has does not require that the clutch pedal be pushed in to change direction. It makes loader work easy. That said, it is also the transmission setup that has the least amount of parasitic drag on the tractor.

[mike123]

Originally Posted by tractorski

The Power shuttle that massey has does not require that the clutch pedal be pushed in to change direction. It makes loader work easy. That said, it is also the transmission setup that has the least amount of parasitic drag on the tractor.

Sorry, what do you mean by parasitic drag?
I know nothing about tractors but I test drove a 5400 series the other day for my snow removal operation. I currently have a toolcat which I use for a ton of condo units with small drives. I wanted to speed up production but I didn't like how I had to be on and off the brake so much.
I am used to not having to ever touch the brake with the toolcat, when I take my foot of the pedal, the TC comes to a pretty fast stop without braking. On the 5400 series, the tractor continues to roll freely. When operating in tight areas like going in and out of drives, am I suppose to just ride the brake up to the door and then auto reverse when I have the blade down?

[agcodealer]

I'll try to explain a little better.

Standard Gear: Transmission has fixed gears and the tractor must come to a complete stop to shift to any gear.

Synchronized Transmissions: Allows for shifting on the move with the use of a clutch pedal. The transmission normally has some type of sychronizer that aligns the slines between the gear you are leaving and the gear you are going too.

Manual Synchro Shuttle Trans: Is similar to the above transmission with a lever to chnage direction forward and reverse. Minimum of two levers one to select the speed(gear) and one to shuttle. YOu push the clutch to shift forward and reverse and push the clutch to change speeds.

PowerShuttle: Instead of the clutch this a a hydraulic system that allows forward and reverse shuttling without the need to clutch. allows for rapid direction change. Speeds are normally still Synchronized and require clutching to change speeds or on some models and version the shuttle lever in neutral or like the MF 3 Function Shuttle on large tractors has a declutch feature by just lifting the lever and speed changes can be made.

Hydrostat: is infinite speeds by pushing pedals Forward or Reverse harder you push faster it goes. Hydrostats are great in smaller tractors but they require alot of horsepower to operate.

You might also check out Massey Ferguson : Tractor Advisor : Home look in the section Tractors 101 they have some great basic knowledge of tractors too.

[22cal]

Before you buy a Massey hydro check the hydro filter prices. Just bought a MF 1635 hydro and have 35 hrs on it. The hydro filters(2) need to be changed at the first 50 hrs and cost $180 each. Kind of a big rip off. Am trying to get Agco to do something but they aren't very responsive. Have a ggod dealer and he can't get results either. Hydro filter for my Gleaner L3 combine was only $50 and it is 158 hp. kind of expensive maintenance!

[JerryG]

Originally Posted by 22cal

Before you buy a Massey hydro check the hydro filter prices. Just bought a MF 1635 hydro and have 35 hrs on it. The hydro filters(2) need to be changed at the first 50 hrs and cost $180 each. Kind of a big rip off. Am trying to get Agco to do something but they aren't very responsive. Have a ggod dealer and he can't get results either. Hydro filter for my Gleaner L3 combine was only $50 and it is 158 hp. kind of expensive maintenance!

You need to have your dealer check his prices again. Tell him that you just need the filters, not including the filter head. I just looked up 1 of your filters and it was $46.90 from Jacks Small Engines.

[MFRED]

Yeah, someone added an extra number on you. They should be around 50 bucks.

[22cal]

Thanks for the filter info. Sounds a lot more reasonable now.
Have a Bush hog 72" finish mower that I use with it. Works very nice. Am thinking of getting a Woods tsg50 stump grinder for it also. Anyone have any experience with these?
thanks