GC1710 VS GC1720

[madhatter]

Other than the 2.5HP and bit more hydraulic flow, is there anything else different between the GC1710 and GC1720? Is it just through RPM's? Injector pump?

Wondering if the difference is noticeable for the extra 1K.

Thanks

 

[scsbronco]

From what Ive read and researched through dealers. Same exact motor with fuel pump turned up. Possibly different hydraulic pump for the gpm increase. Different seat, a few more lights.

Dealers I spoke with said the hp increase is not noticeable. But somehow I still want the 1720.

 

[mavrik1]

From what I have read the extra power comes at a higher rpm, which will uses more fuel. 2.5hp is really not something to write home about if you have to run the machine 400-500 more rpms, uses more fuel, more noise and more cost all the way around. But to each his own, if that is what you want get it, these machines are not cheap investments so get the one you want so your not kicking yourself later

 

[AxleHub]

Other than the 2.5HP and bit more hydraulic flow, is there anything else different between the GC1710 and GC1720? Is it just through RPM's? Injector pump?

Wondering if the difference is noticeable for the extra 1K.

Thanks

Madhatter, I have the gc1715 which is the same as the gc1720 without the backhoe. I had the same issue compared to the gc1705 back in march and april before decision time. The cost difference for me was about 1200.00 which is a significant amount in my size of consideraton.

Today . . that 1200.00 is just as significant a number as it was 9 months ago . . . but without hesitation . . for me . . I'd spend it just as I did then. Here's why

1. You can run the unit at 2600 rpm just like the gc1705/1710 units. But even at that rpm you'll have more power because pump flow is a bit more. But don't let anybody fool you . . That extra power is very evident when you slide the rpm up to 3000. I did testing on the fel lifting and that 400 rpm change allowed a 10% payload increase. But don't lose sight of the fact that at all rpms . . The hydraulic flows are 5 to 7% higher.

2. Seat. The gc1705/1710 are great machines . . but the gc1715/1720 seat is a better supported and firmer comfort seat version. If you're a bigger size you'll notice it right away. If you're a smaller guy you'll notice it after the 1st 45 minutes of a 6 hour work session. I'd also venture to guess its firmness will hold up better as the months become years

3. Extra work light. Think of it less as a light . . and more as pre-wiring for future accessory led work lights on the rops.

4. Added fuel use or noise concern. Now with a full summer and fall of use . . I'm still baffled at the small amount of fuel I use. People and brochures tell you 30% less fuel than a gas engine. I expected that. But I'm at 60+% less than my 25 hp mower in cutting the exact same acreage yards. And sound differences between the 22.5 and 25 hp engines . . at the same rpm s should be identical . . However . . Don't forget that hydraulic pump flow is more on the 25 hp units for the same rpms too.

 

[jlgurr]

I have a 1705 and it does everything I've asked of it. Like Axle's comment, they use less fuel than my gasser but even if it used more that'd be ok for the increase in functionality. However, if i had a chance for a do over, there'd be backhoe on my tractor. Not complaining, just saying...

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[Fiziksgeek]

1. You can run the unit at 2600 rpm just like the gc1705/1710 units. But even at that rpm you'll have more power because pump flow is a bit more. But don't let anybody fool you . . That extra power is very evident when you slide the rpm up to 3000. I did testing on the fel lifting and that 400 rpm change allowed a 10% payload increase. But don't lose sight of the fact that at all rpms . . The hydraulic flows are 5 to 7% higher.

Are you sure that the hydraulic flow is increased at all rpms? Flow is directly related to engine rpm, and I would bet that running a gc1715/20 at 2600 engine rpms will give you the same hydraulic flow as running a gc1705/10 at 2600 engine rpms. The PTOs are of course different also, if you run the GC1715/20 at a lower rpm, the pto will be spinning slower that the working speed 2000/540, but that only matters when mowing or using a rear pto implement.

I think it you want/need that extra flow and power, you need to run the higher rpms.

 

[scsbronco]

Its a 1300$ difference at the dealer Im working with. Im having a hard time deciding myself. 1300$ for 2.5hp or a 4' rototiller?

 

[AxleHub]

Its a 1300$ difference at the dealer Im working with. Im having a hard time deciding myself. 1300$ for 2.5hp or a 4' rototiller?

Exactly why Massey makes 4 great products . . you don't lose or win . . you just win in 4 different ways

 

[AxleHub]

Are you sure that the hydraulic flow is increased at all rpms? Flow is directly related to engine rpm, and I would bet that running a gc1715/20 at 2600 engine rpms will give you the same hydraulic flow as running a gc1705/10 at 2600 engine rpms. The PTOs are of course different also, if you run the GC1715/20 at a lower rpm, the pto will be spinning slower that the working speed 2000/540, but that only matters when mowing or using a rear pto implement.

I think it you want/need that extra flow and power, you need to run the higher rpms.

Greetings Fiziks,

Everything I've heard to date is that the pump was tweaked to increase flow. If rpms was all that was needed . . why would they need to tweek the pump ?

 

[Fiziksgeek]

Its a 1300$ difference at the dealer Im working with. Im having a hard time deciding myself. 1300$ for 2.5hp or a 4' rototiller?

I would say if you need a tiller, get a tiller.