Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 38
  1. #11
    Super Member RickB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2000
    Posts
    7,038
    Location
    Eastern NY
    Tractor
    Case 885, JD 730D, Ford 4000

    Default Re: What oil filter? I'm so confused.

    Quote Originally Posted by CTPhil View Post
    Ha ha, you caught me being cheap.
    Couldn't resist!
    We have too much gun control.
    What we need is more idiot control.

  2. #12
    Gold Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    356
    Location
    Florida Ma.
    Tractor
    Ford 1720 SSS 4x4

    Default Re: What oil filter? I'm so confused.

    The reason I don't always use the recommended filter is that many times I can find a filter that is better.
    One case in point is many older engines and quite a lot of small air cooled engines recommend filters with that have a rating of 30 microns which is larger than 0.001 inch.
    There are many filters available that will interchange that have a rating of 21 microns or less which means cleaner oil.
    I also like to install larger filters if possible which generally have more filter media for longer life or for me more peace of mind.
    My general attitude is that I can do better in most instances.
    Tim

  3. #13
    Super Member RickB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2000
    Posts
    7,038
    Location
    Eastern NY
    Tractor
    Case 885, JD 730D, Ford 4000

    Default Re: What oil filter? I'm so confused.

    Quote Originally Posted by 90cummins View Post
    The reason I don't always use the recommended filter is that many times I can find a filter that is better.
    One case in point is many older engines and quite a lot of small air cooled engines recommend filters with that have a rating of 30 microns which is larger than 0.001 inch.
    There are many filters available that will interchange that have a rating of 21 microns or less which means cleaner oil.
    I also like to install larger filters if possible which generally have more filter media for longer life or for me more peace of mind.
    My general attitude is that I can do better in most instances.
    Tim
    There are instances where lower micron ratings inhibit flow characteristics enough that the filter is put in a partial or full bypass situation if a bypass valve is built in. If this happens early in the drain interval cycle, the result over time is less filtration, not more. In the case of hydraulic suction filters lower than design spec micron ratings can create pump cavitation which if ignored can ruin a pump. Filter performance is the sum of several parameters that have to be considered together, not individually.

    There are without question many suitable aftermarket filter choices available for many applications. Identifying aftermarket filters that are truly better than OEM filters is rare and often depends more on the buyer's view of 'better' than anything else. It is in the manufacturer's best interest to provide long component life by setting the filtration bar as high as is practical.
    We have too much gun control.
    What we need is more idiot control.

  4. #14
    Gold Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    356
    Location
    Florida Ma.
    Tractor
    Ford 1720 SSS 4x4

    Default Re: What oil filter? I'm so confused.

    Rickb you are absolutely correct!
    As a former shop foreman I have seen engines damaged when switching to a different filter with better filtering capabilities.
    My company was on a UOA program provided by the oil supplier and everything was fine until someone decided to change to a filter with better filtering capabilities (smaller micron rating).
    Engines were damaged because the new filters were plugging and bypassing before the next scheduled oil change which was previously determined by UOA.
    When services are determined by UOA you must realize the oil, filter and machine is a system and when changing any part of the system (oil or filter type) you must again determine the correct service interval per UOA.
    Most CUT owners myself included do not have access to UOA to get every mile or hour of use out of our lubricants and I doubt few stray far from the recommended service intervals, so the chances of a filter plugging is very remote.
    There are several indicators I use to determine when to change oil.
    I sometimes do a blotter test and also evaluate my oil based on color, feel, smell, hours use or time.
    The cost of a filter and five quarts of synthetic 5w40 oil is a small price to pay for my peace of mind.

    Tim

  5. #15
    Elite Member
    Parts Supplier
    MessickFarmEqu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    4,755
    Location
    Lancaster County, PA

    Default Re: What oil filter? I'm so confused.

    I can echo rick in that its simply not worth the risk. We had a 100 HR tractor though last year with a NAPA filter on it that collapsed internally and killed the engine. I never heard if the customer got NAPA to pay for it, but they had a $6000 bill from us that would not have happened had they spent the extra $3-4 for the right filter.

  6. #16
    Elite Member WilliamBos's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    4,466
    Location
    Innisfil, Ontario, Canada
    Tractor
    MF 1635 12x12 Powershuttle

    Default

    I agree with you guys. Why try and cheap out on something so expensive??Not worth it.

    And supporting your local dealer is a good thing too.
    Thanks,

    Will


    I do not care if someone's net nanny is watching!! You need to stop...

  7. #17
    Epic Contributor Soundguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Posts
    46,360
    Location
    Central florida
    Tractor
    ym1700, NH7610S, Ford 8N, 2N, NAA, 660, 850 x2, 541, 950, 951, 2000, 3000, 4000, 4600, 5000, 740, IH 'C' 'H', CUB, John Deere 'B', allis 'G', case VAC

    Default Re: What oil filter? I'm so confused.

    Quote Originally Posted by MessickFarmEqu View Post
    Iwould not have happened had they spent the extra $3-4 for the right filter.
    Um.. how about '-may- not'

    ANY filter can collapse.

    Nothing to prevent an oem filter from having a factory defect or other environment or engine related issue, causing it to collapse.. unless you can categorically 100% guarantee that all oem filters ever produced will not, won't ever and have never collapsed.. at which point I'd also ask for proof to that statement if you do decide to make it

    just playing devil's advocate...

    I agree.. oem filters are almst always a better choice..

    soundguy

  8. #18
    Veteran Member banjodunn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    1,169
    Location
    Oz

    Default Re: What oil filter? I'm so confused.

    Hmmm interesting subject this one we have customers that ask for genuine and some that want something cheaper, I will use a non genuine filter if i can but will always use a reputable manufacturer. Most of the a/market filter suppliers will guarantee their filters and i have had both gen and non gen filters cause eng failures and in my experience it is harder to get money out of the genuine co than the a/market one.


    Jon

  9. #19
    Gold Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    356
    Location
    Florida Ma.
    Tractor
    Ford 1720 SSS 4x4

    Default Re: What oil filter? I'm so confused.

    I'm not cheeping out, I happen to be quite knowledgeable about lubrication & filters. For example I only use name brand lubricants & filters with known & consistent quality. I will not buy Wal-Mart痴 Superteck regardless of the current (good) reviews because that may change if & when Wal-Mart presses their suppliers for more profit margins.
    Would it be considered cheeping out if I installed a filter that claimed 3 times the life and protection of the OEM for 5 times the price?
    When you know & understand a topic and want to improve upon it, it is not cheeping out when an equivalent or better product is cheaper.
    We all do this within our area of expertise.
    When you don稚 know (OEM) is the safe choice!

    90cummins

  10. #20
    Gold Member CTPhil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    262
    Location
    NW CT

    Default Re: What oil filter? I'm so confused.

    As the OP of this thread, I'm going to come clean and admit that I ended buying a bunch of Donaldson filters online. (for 3 tractors). I was attracted by the price but was surprised at how positive the internet buzz was about them. LOL, now that I've said that I'm sure the negative side will show itself.
    Ford 2600, Ford 4100, Ford 3550 Industrial Loader, 1949 Case VAC, 1951 Case VAC, 7 assorted Gravely L Models, Gravely Commercial 10, Gravely 524, Gravely 5460...


Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Kioti Filter and Manuals plus Dealer Recommendation for Parts
    By LeTempt in forum Kioti Owning/Operating
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 01-06-2009, 09:53 PM
  2. Hows this for new oil discussion
    By neucam in forum Oil, Fuel & Lubricants
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 12-12-2008, 10:51 PM
  3. Is Amsoil API certified?
    By saparks10 in forum Oil, Fuel & Lubricants
    Replies: 59
    Last Post: 10-02-2007, 06:31 PM
  4. 2007 Chef of the Year Southest & Olive Oil
    By rox in forum Family and Friends (Announcements & Notices)
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 07-30-2007, 02:21 PM
  5. Oil & Fuel Chnage oil, leave filter unchanged
    By Doc_Bob in forum Owning/Operating
    Replies: 50
    Last Post: 10-24-2006, 04:17 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
© 2013 TractorByNet.com. TractorByNet is a registered trademark of IMC Digital Universe, Inc. Other trademarks on this page are the property of their respective owners.