I was looking at the john deere 448,, but I couldn't get net wrap on it.. wasn't an option,, one dealer is 4 miles south and the other is 4 miles north on the same road.. I went with the new Holland because of the net wrap.. without the wrap the price was about the same for either.. I didn't look at the Rebel and I can't remember why.. I think it was in Houston and didn't want to drive up there when I needed something.. by the way James my oldest grand son is 26,, and I say yes sir to him also.. I have ten grandkid and 6 great grandkids by that way I don't have to remember their name..:laughing: Lou