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    Default 4500 remote hydraulics

    I bought a 1974 4500 industrial. It has a loader , 3 pt. pto. No backhoe. I want to add remote hydraulics to operate equipment from the rear of the tractor. Things like a wagon hoist, wood splitter etc. How do I do this?

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    Default Re: 4500 remote hydraulics

    Quote Originally Posted by T King
    I bought a 1974 4500 industrial. It has a loader , 3 pt. pto. No backhoe. I want to add remote hydraulics to operate equipment from the rear of the tractor. Things like a wagon hoist, wood splitter etc. How do I do this?
    One way to do it is to install a selector valve onto your hyd top cover. there should be a plank plate about the size of an index card there right now, held down with 4 bolts... it is: C5NN475B COVER Cover Assy., Accessory, Replaces C5NN475A, Except 4200, Includes: Ref. 14 thru 18, Start Year: 01/01/1965

    The selector plate diverts hyd pressure from the 3pt to it's port. from there you could plumb it to a couple Open center DA dalves that were setup with detents, and QD's, and then plumb a return line back to your hyd sump. many people remove the hyd sump cap, and drill/tap it for a fitting and use a low press hose for the return line from the valve to the tank sump/cap.

    The fact that yours is an industrial slightly limits your options... The regular thousand and newer series IE X000 and X600 have options for mounting a single or dual DA valve right there on the cover, without any extra plumbing.. just run t he hoses back to the QD's and that's it.

    Check your hyd top cover.. you may already have the selector valve there.. setting unused.

    Soundguy

    Here is a port that YTmag sells:



    Discount Tractor Parts and Manuals for Older and Antique Tractors

    Selector Valve - Fits 2000 and 4000 (1965 & newer-except Rowcrop), 2600, 3000, 3600, 4100, 4600, 2310, 2610, 2810, 2910, 3610, 3910, 4110, 4610, 3230, 3430, 3930, 4130, 4630, 4830, 5030. INDUSTRIALS: 230A, 231, 233, 234, 250C, 260C, 2110LCG, 333, 334, 335, 340(A, B, C), 345 (C, D), 3400, 3500, 3550, 420, 445 (A, C, D), 450, 4500, 515, 530A, 531, 532, 535, 540, 540 (A, B), 545 (A, C, D). (Part No: E0NND960AA) $167.90

    Looking at the CNH parts site I see the following:

    Click this link to download the gif file of the E0NND960AA VALVE, HYDRAULIC selector valve i show above, in higher detail:

    https://webparts.pvassociates.net/cn...ataSet=001NHNA

    Click this link to to get a pic/gif of the top cover, the 'blank plate' i refer to is part # 13:

    https://webparts.pvassociates.net/cn...ataSet=001NHNA

    Now here is some 'paydirt' for you. i found single valves, double valves, with and without detent, as follows:

    E1NNB950AB VALVE, HYDRAULIC Valve Assy., Single Spool, Non-Detent, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 40E, Start Year: 05/01/1970
    AR E1NNB950BB VALVE, HYDRAULIC Valve Assy., Double Spool, Non-Detent, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 40E, Start Year: 08/01/1970
    AR 83944762 VALVE, HYDRAULIC Valve Assy., Double Spool, Detent, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 40E, Start Year: 12/01/1970
    AR 83944760 VALVE, HYDRAULIC Valve Assy., Single Spool, Quick Drop, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 40E (Replaces D9NNB950BB), Start Year: 01/01/1965
    AR 83944762 VALVE, HYDRAULIC Valve Assy., Double Spool, Quick Drop, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 40E, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    AR E2NNB950DA VALVE, HYDRAULIC Valve Assy., Double Spool, Trailer Brake, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 40E, NH-E Only, Start Year: 01/01/1965


    This link should let you get a gif pic of the valves in question:

    https://webparts.pvassociates.net/cn...ataSet=001NHNA


    Here is a pic/gif of the oring kit(s) you may need depending on the valve:

    https://webparts.pvassociates.net/cn...ataSet=001NHNA

    1 CFPN485B KIT, SEALS Kit, O-Ring, Remote Control Valve, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 5, Years: 01/01/1965-04/30/1970
    1 4 229317 O-RING O-RING, -113, 90 Duro, .549" ID x .103" Thk, 5000, 7000, Start Year: 05/01/1970
    1 5 229317 O-RING O-RING, -113, 90 Duro, .549" ID x .103" Thk, 2000, 3000, 4000, Start Year: 05/01/1970
    1 4 81829207 O-RING O-Ring, .544" ID x .101" Thk, .544" ID x .101" Thk, Years: 01/01/1965-04/30/1970
    1A 1 81829207 O-RING O-Ring, .544" ID x .101" Thk, Use only on Valves w/Detent, Years: 01/01/1965-04/30/1970
    1B 1 81829207 O-RING O-Ring, .544" ID x .101" Thk, Except 5000-7000, When installing a Remote Control Valve, use (1) D2NN-B997-A(81829207) in Location 1B (In Bottom of Valve) on 2000,3000 & 4000 Tractors. Use (1) C0NN-B999-A (81817211) in Hydraulic Lift
    2 1 81812999 O-RING O-Ring, .500 I.D. x .070 W (Replaces C5NNN475B), Years: 01/01/1965-04/30/1970
    3 2 C0NNB993A O-RING O-Ring, .437 I.D. x .070 W, Years: 01/01/1965-04/30/1970
    4 1 81812998 O-RING O-Ring, 1.187 I.D. x .103 W, Years: 01/01/1965-04/30/1970
    5 1 C0NNB999A O-RING O-Ring, .799 I.D. x .103 W, 5000-7000, When installing a Remote Control Valve, use (1) D2NN-B997-A(81829207) in Location 1B (In Bottom of Valve) on 2000,3000 & 4000 Tractors. Use (1) C0NN-B999-A (81817211) in Hydraulic Lift cover of
    1 DHPN485A KIT Kit, O-Ring, Remote Control Valve, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 5, DHPN-485-A(83912473) Kit to service Valves D7NN-B950-A,B,C,D,E,F, & G, Start Year: 05/01/1970
    1 DEPN485A KIT Kit, O-Ring, Remote Control Valve, Replaces CKPN-485-A, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 5, Start Year: 05/01/1970
    1A 1 122057 O-RING O-Ring, 90 Duro, .737" ID x .103" Thk, Single Spool, Use Only on Valves W/Detent, Single Spool, Start Year: 05/01/1970
    1A 2 122057 O-RING O-Ring, 90 Duro, .737" ID x .103" Thk, Double Spool, Use Only on Valves W/Detent, Double Spool, Start Year: 05/01/1970
    2 1 9992298 O-RING O-RING, 90 Duro, .489" ID x .070" Thk, Start Year: 05/01/1970
    3 1 272217 O-RING O-Ring, 90 Duro, .426" ID x .070" Thk, Start Year: 05/01/1970
    4 1 218774 O-RING O-Ring, 90 Duro, 1.174" ID x .103" Thk, Not W/DHPN-485-A, (29.82), Start Year: 05/01/1970
    5 1 C0NNB999A O-RING O-Ring, .799 I.D. (20.29mm), 5000-7000, When installing a Remote Control Valve, use (1) C0NN-B999-A (81817211) in Location 5 in Hydraulic Lift Cover of 5000 & 7000 Tractors. DO NOT USE both O-Rings in one installation., Start Year:
    3 87035S95 O-RING O-Ring, 90 Duro, .625" ID x .103" Thk, W/Quick Drop Valve, Start Year: 05/01/1970
    1 273211 O-RING O-Ring, 90 Duro, 1.125" ID x .103" Thk, W/Quick Drop Valve, Start Year: 05/01/1970
    1 D7NNB999A O-RING O-Ring, w/Kit DHPN-485-A Only, 13/16" I.D. x .103 Wide, Start Year: 05/01/1970


    Link to gif/pic some of the remote cyl pipework hardlines if you wanted oem ones:

    https://webparts.pvassociates.net/cn...ataSet=001NHNA

    C9NNN902A Kit, Pipework & Coupling w/License Plate, w/Deluxe Seat, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 13, No Longer Serviced, NH-E Only, Years: 01/01/1965-03/31/1969
    AR C9NNN902A Kit, Pipework & Coupling, w/Pan Seat, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 13, No Longer Serviced, NH-E Only, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    AR 81821785 Kit, Pipework & Coupling w/Deluxe Seat, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 13, NH-E Only, No Longer Serviced, Start Year: 04/01/1969
    1 1 81821787 Pipe Assy., NH-E Only, No Longer Serviced, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    2 1 311113 BOLT Bolt, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    3 1 81829207 O-RING O-Ring, .544" ID x .101" Thk, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    4 1 274330 O-RING O-Ring, 90 Duro, .438" ID x .094" Thk, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    5 1 C5NNN915A Bracket, Except C9NN-N902-A, NH-E Only, No Longer Serviced, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    5A 1 NLS No Longer Serviced Bracket Assy., Use C9NN-N923-C, Part of C9NN-N902-A, No Longer Serviced, Years: 04/01/1969-01/31/1970
    5B 1 C9NNN923C Bracket, Replaces C5NN-N907-A, Part of C9NN-N902-B, No Longer Serviced, NH-E Only, Start Year: 02/01/1970
    6 2 80681 WASHER, LOCK Washer, Lock, 5/16", Except C9NN-N902-A, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    7 2 9635082 NUT Nut, G5, 5/16"-18, Except C9NN-N902-A, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    8 2 9627874 BOLT Screw, Cap, HH, G5, 5/16"-18 x 5/8", Except C9NN-N902-A, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    9 1 E90WP9 COUPLING Coupling Assy., Hydraulic Male Half, Includes: Body, Valve & Sleeve plus Ref. 10 thru 13, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    10 1 E90WP9 COUPLING Spring, Not Serviced Separately, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    11 1 E90WP9 COUPLING Spring, Not Serviced Separately, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    12 1 E90WP9 COUPLING Sleeve Assy., Not Serviced Separately, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    13 1 229317 O-RING O-RING, -113, 90 Duro, .549" ID x .103" Thk, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    14 1 D8NNN908AA NUT Nut, B.S.P, 1/2", Start Year: 01/01/1965
    15 1 E97WP9 COVER, CAP Cap, Start Year: 01/01/1965


    More piping kits pic/gif link:

    https://webparts.pvassociates.net/cn...ataSet=001NHNA

    C9NNN919A Kit, Single Acting Valve, w/License Plate, w/Deluxe Seat, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 1A, No Longer Serviced, NH-E Only, Years: 01/01/1965-03/31/1969
    AR C9NNN919A Kit, Single Acting Valve, w/Pan Seat, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 1A, No Longer Serviced, NH-E Only, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    AR C9NNN919B Kit, Single Acting Valve, w/Deluxe Seat, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 1A, NH-E Only, No Longer Serviced, Start Year: 04/01/1969
    AR C9NNN920B Kit, Double Acting Valve, w/Deluxe Seat, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 1A, No Longer Serviced, NH-E Only, Years: 01/01/1965-03/31/1969
    AR C9NNN920B Kit, Single Acting Valve, w/Pan Seat, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 1A, NH-E Only, No Longer Serviced, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    AR C9NNN920A Kit, Double Acting Valve, w/Deluxe Seat, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 1A, NH-E Only, No Longer Serviced, Start Year: 04/01/1969
    AR D0NNN920A Kit, Double Acting Valve, Use w/Lo-Profile Valve w/Deluxe Seat, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 1A, No Longer Serviced, NH-E Only, Start Year: 11/01/1970
    AR D0NNN920B Kit, Double Acting Valve, Use w/Lo-Profile Valve w/License Plate, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 1A, NH-E Only, No Longer Serviced, Start Year: 11/01/1970
    1 1 81821792 Pipe Assy., Single Acting, L/Grammer Seat, No Longer Serviced, NH-E Only, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    1 1 81830101 Pipe Assy., Single Acting, w/Grammer Seat, Not Part of Kit, NH-E Only, No Longer Serviced, Start Year: 08/01/1973
    1 1 C9NNN924A Pipe Assy., Double Acting, L.H., Replaces C5NN-N924-B, No Longer Serviced, NH-E Only, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    1 1 D0NNN924A Pipe Assy., Double Acting, L.H., Use w/Lo Profile Valve, NH-E Only, No Longer Serviced, Start Year: 11/01/1970
    1A 1 C9NNN921A Pipe Assy., Double Acting, R.H., Replaces C5NN-N921-B, No Longer Serviced, NH-E Only, Start Year: 01/01/1965
    1A 1 D0NNN921A Pipe Assy., Double Acting, R.H., Use w/Lo Profile Valve, NH-E Only, No Longer Serviced, Start Year: 11/01/1970
    2 AR 311113 BOLT Bolt, Start Year: 01/01/1965




    https://webparts.pvassociates.net/cn...ataSet=001NHNA

    1 CKPNN937A KIT Coupling Kit, Single Action, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 22, No Longer Serviced NHNA, Years: 01/01/1965-05/31/1973
    1 9842367 KIT Coupling Kit, Double Acting, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 22, Use (2) Single Acting Kits for Double Acting Coupling Kit or New Kit DDPN-N937-A(81827510) plus proper Hose., Years: 01/01/1965-05/31/1973


    Note:.. some parts are NLS.

    Hope this helps some.

    Soundguy
    Last edited by Soundguy; 11-01-2007 at 09:36 AM.

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    Default Re: 4500 remote hydraulics

    Hey Soundguy,

    The help you give people is just unbelievable. However, given the length of that post, you must either be an amazing typer or have way too much time on your hands.
    Knowing is not enough, you must apply.
    Willing is not enough, you must do.
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    Default Re: 4500 remote hydraulics

    At least 90wpm or better... not up to real good 'secretary' status.. but not too bad either. If I stay at 90wpm or so.. I am pretty accurate. if I push it past that.. I get increasing #'s of typo's My 2 biggest typo errors are reversin oa in 'loader' and mis-spaced areas between any word followed by 'the'. Looks like this: 'pett he dog' vs 'pet the dog' For some reason those are the 2 most common occurences.. besides minor spelling errors which i really don't try to go back and correct as long as the meaning is easy to discern from context or it is at least close phonetically.. etc..

    And keep in mind the blocks of partnumber data are copy/paste along with the parts/pics links that I gleaned from online sources.

    Lastly.. the subject is 'ford' I probably couldn't have compiled that much info for any other 'color' of tractor in such a short time... I collect fords, and thus have more paper and online literature bookmarked for them / more hands on experience with fords than any other color. I do keep a token green, red, and orange tractor out in the barn though.. just to be fair

    soundguy

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    Default Re: 4500 remote hydraulics

    Holy cow. I have done quite a few searches for info and have found none. I bought an operators manual also, no info on this. This is my first ford tractor ('64 galaxie, 41 F2, '76 150 450hp 460, etc). Now a landslide of info from da man! I haven't had time to pursue it yet but will definitely get back to you when I do. Thanks much, T King gentleman farmer- green acres style.

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    Good luck.

    Keep us posted on your progress.

    If you have trouble tracking parts down, post back.. Besides generic places like ebay, and the blue dealerships.. i shop at alot of online ford parts dealers.. plus frequent a few boards where people might have salvage parts.. etc..

    soundugy

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