Front end loader will not lift tires off the ground

[Boomertc45]

I just purchased a 2003 tc45d and when I bring the front end loader all the way down it will not lift the tires up. Is this Normal? Do I have a hydraulic problem? Can anyone shed some light on this? Btw the FEL is a 16la and also has a 930gh backhoe installed in rear.

 

[shortthrow50]

yeah its normal if the bucket isnt tilted forward in the dumping position a little. If you can still see shiny chrome in the lift cylinder area and it wont collapse all the way, then yeah there is deffinatley a problem. Lifting the front end of a tractor with the bucket should be as easy as sticking your index finger and pinky into a jar of vaseline

 

[crash325]

I just purchased a 2003 tc45d and when I bring the front end loader all the way down it will not lift the tires up. Is this Normal? Do I have a hydraulic problem? Can anyone shed some light on this? Btw the FEL is a 16la and also has a 930gh backhoe installed in rear.

Rotate bucket all the way to the dump position. In that position it should lift the front wheels clear of the ground. If it does not then you have a problem.

When using the back hoe the FEL is used to help hold the tractor in place.

I have virtually the same set up as you have.

 

[J_J]

If you do as stated above and you can not lift, then install a hyd gage and check some hyd pressures.

 

[Jim Miller]

Lower the FEL until the bucket is flat on the ground. Slowly begin curling the bucket to the dump position and the front tires should come off the ground. If that doesn't happen, you've got a hydro problem.

 

[Boomertc45]

Thanks for the feedback. I tried everything still not going up. Just went to the dealer and bought hydraulic fluid and 2 different hydraulic filters gonna start there and see what happens. I don't have gauges to check the pressure, but definatley some kind of issue here. Digging with the backhoe also seems like it's lacking power for heavy work. Any more feedback greatly appreciated. I don't wanna bring to dealer and be stuck with a huge bill.

 

[crash325]

Thanks for the feedback. I tried everything still not going up. Just went to the dealer and bought hydraulic fluid and 2 different hydraulic filters gonna start there and see what happens. I don't have gauges to check the pressure, but definatley some kind of issue here. Digging with the backhoe also seems like it's lacking power for heavy work. Any more feedback greatly appreciated. I don't wanna bring to dealer and be stuck with a huge bill.

I've never had a problem with my FEL or back hoe. Am so use to how it works and what the sounds it makes that I don't pay much attention.

Rear Stabilizers should pick the back wheels right up.
Under a hard strain the back hoe will pull the tractor backwards, even with the bucket & stabilizers set.

Below and in front of the front seat is a high / low valve. Try it in different positions, all the way to the left and / or right. Sort of a speed control adjustment, but has a slight affect on pressure.

 

[jinman]

Thanks for the feedback. I tried everything still not going up. Just went to the dealer and bought hydraulic fluid and 2 different hydraulic filters gonna start there and see what happens.

If you had a filter problem or an obstruction, you should still be able to develop full system pressure. It should lift the front end fine, but just not do it quickly. Flow controls how fast something moves, but pressure controls how strong it is. When you moved your lift arms to raise the front wheels, you didn't push the joystick all the way forward, did you? That would put you in the float position with no pressure at all. Also, if you move your joystick to the right all the way, you get into regenerative dump mode. The best method is to rotate the bucket to the full dump position and then move the joystick to lower the arms. If it won't lift the front end, then probably you have a lift cylinder seal that is leaking internally. You could verify this by putting the bucket flat on the ground and then move the joystick to dump. If the bucket lip goes down and the lift arms go up, you have a leak in the lift arms. If the bucket won't go down, you may have faulty curl cylinders, a faulty pressure regulator valve, or somebody removed your pressure adjustment shims.

If there is something wrong, it could be getting worse and become a much larger repair bill. I would take it to a dealer so you know what the problem is. Once you know, you can figure how to deal with it. If you never take it in, you run the chance of it being something simple that you've overlooked. I say it's better to know and have to wait than to not know and wait anyhow. It's your choice, of course. I hope you figure it out soon.

 

[Boomertc45]

Thanks jinman makes a lot of sense. I tried exactly what u said. First of all w bucket in full dump position 3/4 or 1/2 position noting no lift in front end. So I put bucket flat on ground then moved to dump position the bucket lip does go Down and lift arms go up. I think u r right may have lift cylinder seal internal leak. I just parked my machine and left the bucket fully retracted 10 mins later I noticed it moved down slighty. Does that indicate internal leak as well?

Not to complicate the issue, but when I put bucket flat on ground and went to dump postion the lip went down lift arms went up, but no lift, however when I retracted from dump position back to raise position the tires did raise up because the machine was fighting against the ground and in turn lifted the tires, but the issue still exsits. Hope that is clear to understand.

 

[J_J]

If your lift arms fall or the bucket dumps by it self, it could be a number of things. One or more cyl seals bad, relief valve slightly open, valve spools worn and leaking.

Take some pressure readings around the tractor hyd and note the pressures.