i 'finally' attached the stump grapple and moved some dead trees in my woods.. i need to learn a good techinque for removing stumps.. i had really good luck w/ my back hoe for that, but you have to keep positioning that so it's not really fast.. when i bought my tractor from corriher implement they attached the back hoe to the power beyond, no i had to tap into that to get the hydraulics up front and mounted on the loader's center brace, my first weld job too, looks like the worst well in the world!!!! but seems to hold fine.. anywho... the grapple opens/closes pretty fast so i'm happy about that with my tc40da's hydraulic flow.. even at idle it's fast, the back hoe needs to be up about 540 rpm on the pto (whatever that is in engine rpm) to move reasonable, like detecha says i think the hydraulic thumb/grapple is the way to go cost wise, but i didn't have a tooth bar on my bucket so that's more cost for me too, although not much.. cheers!