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    Default Re: Jack from CHINA tractor factory, say hello to everyone here

    Quote Originally Posted by daugen View Post
    Jack,
    your family has requested a new car, they are tired of your buying new Jinmas every year.
    They would like you to go to Shanghai immediately and bring one of these home to them.
    Yellow would be fine.

    Lamborghini Aventador LP720-4 50 Anniversario picture leaked - Autoweek

    Pretty amazing new Buick Riviera there too. Get that one too, for when you are tired of the yellow car.
    Haha, nice to meet you, Jinma is rubbish, I suggest you use Foton, much better than Jinma. I know that car exhibition in Shanghai, but that nice yellow Lamborghini will cost my hundreds of years' salary.......

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    Default Re: Jack from CHINA tractor factory, say hello to everyone here

    even it's only one hour from my city to Shanghai by train

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    Default Re: Jack from CHINA tractor factory, say hello to everyone here

    Quote Originally Posted by 3v0 View Post
    Hi Jack and welcome

    With a 17% bias in favor of export it is clear that we did not force them to do it. Add that 17% to the cost of meeting environmental mandates for production here...
    I don't know if I understand you right, do you mean that 17% tax is used for protect the environment in CHINA of in USA?

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    Default Re: Jack from CHINA tractor factory, say hello to everyone here

    he was responding to my post.
    Yes, exact meaning is not clear-
    Not a serious proposal, just a comment.

    I think he is suggesting an increased import tax into the US to be used for US pollution control.
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    Default Re: Jack from CHINA tractor factory, say hello to everyone here

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Yuan View Post
    even it's only one hour from my city to Shanghai by train
    Now that's an excellent reason for buying the Lamborghini!
    And just think, you could drive home in twelve minutes

    So you think Foton is a high quality tractor. Best in China?
    Or just more tractor because more expensive and more complicated?
    If you could pick the top three high quality Chinese tractors, could you discuss that
    without getting into what we call "hot water"?. Btw, our moderator loves pictures as much as any of us
    do, so any pics are usually a good thing.

    Many of us would love to know what "the locals" think about their own product.
    And that goes for the UK, Germany, Japan, US, all the places tractors are built too.
    So, if you had $50K US to buy a tractor and front end loader, what Chinese brands would
    you choose to compare, and how much engine horsepower would that get you?

    I'm guessing at least 100hp, maybe 150hp? On the large farms in China, with large acreage, what kinds
    of tractors are used? I'm also guessing the Chinese tractor market is dominated by lower hp tractors.
    But I'm guessing, and now we have a resident expert... nice to have you on the forum Jack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Yuan View Post
    I don't know if I understand you right, do you mean that 17% tax is used for protect the environment in CHINA of in USA?
    I think he means that the USA is even more expensive than China because we have environmental protection mandates that you don't. So there are two factors that make Chinese goods cheaper to Americans: the Chinese export tariff and the lack of Chinese environmental protection laws.

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    Default Re: Jack from CHINA tractor factory, say hello to everyone here

    Quote Originally Posted by joshuabardwell View Post
    I think he means that the USA is even more expensive than China because we have environmental protection mandates that you don't. So there are two factors that make Chinese goods cheaper to Americans: the Chinese export tariff and the lack of Chinese environmental protection laws.
    I read an article that was about Mark Leonard, the guy that first imported tractors in the 1980s and 1990s, (mine included) and is now importing and selling Tytan,
    The article said that when he first visited Shanghai, how bad the air quality was, and that now the air and environment in and around Shanghai is much better. thought I'd also seen comments elsewhere about China implementing new environmental; standards that were better than the US including new vehicle emissions ???

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    Default Re: Jack from CHINA tractor factory, say hello to everyone here

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Yuan View Post
    I don't know if I understand you right, do you mean that 17% tax is used for protect the environment in CHINA of in USA?
    Lets look at the cost of making goods.

    In the USA it (materials+labor+taxes) + cost_of_environmentaly_frinedly_operation+OSHA+une mployment_insurance
    In China it is (materials+labor+taxes) - 17%(materials+labor)

    China is promoting manufacture and the USA in punishing it. According to the internet US Fed Corporate tax rates are 40%. State runs as high as 12% in Ohio. All I seen for China was 25% and this "The corporate tax rate is 25 percent. Certain industries and qualified businesses may be entitled to lower corporate income tax rates such as 15 percent"

    What I mean is that the US government if forcing manufactures to close shop in the US and move to china. Good for China bad for the US.

    I worked for a multinational company. We had all our manufacturing in house about 1990. The big wigs came to tell us that we would loose our manufacturing to overseas. Many of the guys in the lab had wives working in manufacturing. One asked how much of a pay cut would it take to keep manufacturing local. They replied that even if the staff in manufacturing worked for free it would still be more cost effective to move the plant.

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    Default Re: Jack from CHINA tractor factory, say hello to everyone here

    3v0;

    Sounds like labor cost isn't the big issue they would have us believe, but the media doesn't tell that side of things.
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    Default Re: Jack from CHINA tractor factory, say hello to everyone here

    I think the total cost of labor, materials, etc in China is so low that items manufactured there in volume simply cannot be made at same cost in USA.
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