My Diesel Storage and Transfer Set-up

[lovemytoys]

i know what the black hose does .but what is the yellow hose for??

[LBrown59]

Originally Posted by lovemytoys

i know what the black hose does .but what is the yellow hose for??

I think he said in an earlier post to fill the caddy with.

[bialecki]

Originally Posted by LBrown59

I think he said in an earlier post to fill the caddy with.

Thanks, the yellow hose that came with the Northerntools fuel caddy I use to pump diesel from my 5 gallon cans into the 30 gallon caddy (just flip the ball valves). This way I don't have to lift. The older I get the lazier I get.

By-the-way, someone asked if there is a drain in the bottom of the caddy, indeed there is, I only discovered it today. A nice feature to drain off water if necessary.

[LBrown59]

Originally Posted by bialecki

1*By-the-way, someone asked if there is a drain in the bottom of the caddy, indeed there is, I only discovered it today. A nice feature to drain off water if necessary.
2*Thanks, the yellow hose that came with the Northerntools fuel caddy I use to pump diesel from my 5 gallon cans into the 30 gallon caddy (just flip the ball valves).

1*I'm the one that asked you that.
2*I don't know if you're aware of it or not but the way you have the yellow hose rigged up gives you a couple more options.
A*Connect the yellow hose to the outlet line on your Home heating oil tank and fill the caddy from the heating oil tank.
B*Get a 30 gallon plastic drum and pump the fuel from it into the caddy thus eliminating the 5 gallon cans altogether.
You can also have them top off the caddy when they deliver fuel to the home heating oil tank.

[LBrown59]

Originally Posted by bialecki

Thanks, the yellow hose that came with the Northerntools fuel caddy I use to pump diesel from my 5 gallon cans into the 30 gallon caddy (just flip the ball valves).

I've been trying to come up with a way to unload a 30 gallon drum of diesel off my pick up.
I was going to try setting the drum on a combination dolly and hand truck so I could.
1* lift it off the truck with my forks
2*run it down a ramp with the hand truck which might be to heavy to hold back going down the ramp.
Trying to do this gets rather involved and somewhat complicated.
I was looking at your pictures in your first post to see how you connected the pump inlet to the suction pipe of the caddy and decided to take a closer look at how you set up the yellow hose when it dawned on me that this was my answer to getting a drum of fuel off my truck.
Simply get another 12 or 15 dollar 30 gallon drum and plumb the line from the 30 gallon drum I'm setting up like you did with the yellow hose on your caddy.
Problem solved.
Just put the new extra drum in the truck and go get it filled.
Come back drop my version of your yellow hose into the filled tank and pump it into the storage drum.
Then lift the light empty drum off the truck by hand.
Beats the heck out of a dolly and hand truck combination.
Lots easier and simpler cost less too.
A hand truck cost $20 and 4 casters for a dolly is another 20 bucks.
15 dollars for a drum sure beats 40 bucks and its a lot simpler to set up and easier to use too.
Way cheaper than buying six 5 gallon cans at 6 to 8 dollars each also.
== L B ==

[bialecki]

Originally Posted by LBrown59

2*I don't know if you're aware of it or not but the way you have the yellow hose rigged up gives you a couple more options.
A*Connect the yellow hose to the outlet line on your Home heating oil tank and fill the caddy from the heating oil tank.
B*Get a 30 gallon plastic drum and pump the fuel from it into the caddy thus eliminating the 5 gallon cans altogether.
You can also have them top off the caddy when they deliver fuel to the home heating oil tank.

All good points, I can now draw from my 1,000 gallon in the ground home heating oil tank to fill the caddy!

[LBrown59]

I went to a plumbing shop this morning and got a 2'' x 3/4'' reducer and a 3/4'' collar.
I had them weld one end of the collar to the inside of the reducer so now I can screw a 3/4'' nipple into each end of the reducer.
Just screw the 2'' threaded outside of the bushing into the 2'' threaded bung of the drum and problem solved.
== L B ==

Originally Posted by bialecki

LBrown59, if you are referring to the setup that I have shown on the first page, the tube coming out of the tank is a welded tube that is a part of the Fuel Caddy. It has 3/4" NPT threads and I simply threaded the ball valve onto it. If you are using a tank there is a fitting that mounts through a hole that you created in the tank. The threaded fitting mounts through the hole and on the inside a flanged nut is threaded onto the male portion and it sandwiches the tank wall. I forgot the name of the fitting, but it is similar to what is called a weld spud. You can pick this type of item up at a commercial plumbing supply house. I never saw one at Home Depot or Lowes.

[patrick_g]

Originally Posted by LBrown59

I've been trying to come up with a way to unload a 30 gallon drum of diesel off my pick up.
I was going to try setting the drum on a combination dolly and hand truck so I could.
1* lift it off the truck with my forks
2*run it down a ramp with the hand truck which might be to heavy to hold back going down the ramp.
Trying to do this gets rather involved and somewhat complicated.
I was looking at your pictures in your first post to see how you connected the pump inlet to the suction pipe of the caddy and decided to take a closer look at how you set up the yellow hose when it dawned on me that this was my answer to getting a drum of fuel off my truck.
Simply get another 12 or 15 dollar 30 gallon drum and plumb the line from the 30 gallon drum I'm setting up like you did with the yellow hose on your caddy.
Problem solved.
Just put the new extra drum in the truck and go get it filled.
Come back drop my version of your yellow hose into the filled tank and pump it into the storage drum.
Then lift the light empty drum off the truck by hand.
Beats the heck out of a dolly and hand truck combination.
Lots easier and simpler cost less too.
A hand truck cost $20 and 4 casters for a dolly is another 20 bucks.
15 dollars for a drum sure beats 40 bucks and its a lot simpler to set up and easier to use too.
Way cheaper than buying six 5 gallon cans at 6 to 8 dollars each also.
== L B ==

Using the FEL should do the trick. Don't do the hand truck/dolly thing as that could get you hurt. Yesterday I assembled the ($143 on sale) 2 ton folding shop crane from HF which would lift the drum up and let you drive out from under it.

I recently recommended a pickup bed mounted crane with winch to a WW II vet so he can load and unload a pair of electric scooters which he and his wife use when spending time shopping for hours at the mall or big stores like Wal*Mart. He said he went and got one immediately after I talked to him about it. The one he boiught uses a hand crank winch, is rated for 1000 lbs, mounts to the side of the truck bed where it doesn't stick out as much as the wheel well and cost less than $100. I'm thinking of getting one of those and designing and installing a quick install/remove system that does not stick up above the floor of the pickup bed.

If you have anything you can drive under that will safely support around 300 lbs you could use an inexpensive chain hoist. Diesel is about 6 1/2 lbs /gal or so and water is about 8 1/2 lbs per gal. A 30 gal drum of water would weigh under 300 lbs including a good stout steel drum and diesel is, of course, less.

Here are links to a couple pickup bed mounted cranes and a 1 ton chain hoist which is $60.

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I would avoid putting a drum on a dolly and trying to get it down a ramp safely unless you have a safety line secured to the drum and a couple wraps around something for a bollard so you can let it down the ramp slowly under control.

A safe solution is too cheap to warrant repetitively risking damage to anything, ESPECIALLY YOU!

Pat

[hayden]

Does the manual for the pump list its power draw? The NT web site says it's 120W, which would be 10A @ 12V. That will just barely work off a lighter socket, which would be very convenient for me since it's not easy to get at the battery on all my toys.

Have any of you tried running it off a lighter socket? Mine all seem to be fused at 10A.

Thanks

[LBrown59]

Originally Posted by hayden

Does the manual for the pump list its power draw? The NT web site says it's 120W, which would be 10A @ 12V. That will just barely work off a lighter socket, which would be very convenient for me since it's not easy to get at the battery on all my toys.

My plan is to power the pump with an electric toy train transformer plugged into regular 110 volt house current.
This eliminates the concerns you noted with powering it from the tractor and other vehicles .


Like everybody else my first impulse was to power the pump from the tractor until it dawned on me it was lots easier and simpler to take the tractor to the fuel than it was to take the fuel to the tractor.
When you need gas for your car do you bring the gas station to your car or do you take the car to the gas station?
== L B ==