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    Default Re: kerosene as diesel fuel?

    This discussion has expanded my knowledge. Like many who haven't explored this issue, I assumed that k-1 and #1 diesel were the same thing.

    I wonder if the cetane/lubricity concerns about using k-1 couldn't be addressed by using a cetaine booster with lubricants. With my 25-year old diesel car I started using such a booster when California went to low-sulfur diesel in the 1990s. This was the dealer's recommendation, in fact.

    The cost difference between k-1 and diesel is not a issue for me in So. Oregon. My initial hope when I started this thread was to have single storage tank that would serve both my kerosene space heater and my tractor -- which would facilitate more rapid turn-over of stored fuel and be more convenient for me.

    If I have two storage tanks, the k-1 tank will be unused for 6 months of the year and will be gathering condensation into the fuel. If the fuel can be dual-use, it will stay much fresher.

    What do you all think: can an additive turn k-1 into a decent tractor diesel fuel?

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    Default Re: kerosene as diesel fuel?

    Around these parts kerosene is 10 to 15 cents more per gallon than diesel so why would i want to use it even if they were the same thing?

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    Default Re: kerosene as diesel fuel?

    <font color="blue"> ( New owner of L3400 HST 4WD.

    I note that the fuel requirements are #1 or #2 diesel. Is #1 diesel the same as kerosene?

    We use kerosene for supplemental heat and it would be handy to have a single storage tank for heater and tractor. Are there any downsides to this approach? Thanks! </font>

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    More: http://tinyurl.com/2qvbt

    Also, interesting article about fuel adulteration.
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    Default Re: kerosene as diesel fuel?

    </font><font color="blue" class="small">( Around these parts kerosene is 10 to 15 cents more per gallon than diesel so why would i want to use it even if they were the same thing? )</font>


    #2 Diesel (what we use here) is $2.41 a gallon and K-1 sells at Lowes/Home Depot for $30 for a 5 gallon can. I use k-1 in the heater in my chicken house, and thought about using diesel because it's cheaper. But then I had this thought of returning the next morning and finding hundreds of dollars worth of dead chickens lying on the ground and decided that $5 a gallon, while expensive, wasn't that bad. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

    Next year I think I'll use a wood stove of one that burns corn.



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    Default Re: kerosene as diesel fuel?





    <font color="red"> K-1 sells at Lowes/Home Depot for $30 for a 5 gallon can. I decided that $5 a gallon, while expensive, wasn't that bad.
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    <font color="purple"> This isn't $5 a gallon,it's $6 a gallon.
    I'd say it's real bad considering the gas stations around here sell it for less than 3 bucks a gallon. </font>



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    Default Re: kerosene as diesel fuel?

    </font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="red"> K-1 sells at Lowes/Home Depot for $30 for a 5 gallon can. I decided that $5 a gallon, while expensive, wasn't that bad. </font>

    <font color="purple"> This isn't $5 a gallon,it's $6 a gallon.
    I'd say it's real bad considering the gas stations around here sell it for less than 3 bucks a gallon. </font>
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    Caught that did you. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

    I rounded it off to the next higher number because of sales tax. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

    I guess it's like the price per gallon for gasoline. .38 cents of the price of every gallon is tax.


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    Default Re: kerosene as diesel fuel?

    I canceled this post

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    Default Re: kerosene as diesel fuel?

    <font color="blue"> I think kerosene has a higher cetane rating than #2 diesel, isn't that why they mix it in the winter with diesel, for hotter burn for better cold weather performance up north????? I believe it has less lubricating quality???? </font>

    In fact it is 100% the opposite, kerosene has a much lower cetane rating that #2 diesel, which is why when you mix it with #2 diesel to create winterized #1 diesel the cetane is lowered.......

    You are correct in believing that kersoene has less lubricating quality than #2 diesel, that is why when you run kero in your diesel engine, yourcomplete fuel injection system is destroyed.

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    Default Re: kerosene as diesel fuel?

    Interesting, the other morning the morning radio guy and traffic helicopter guy were talking about fuel prices. The piolt said he burns 22-23 gallons of kerosene an hour. Do all choppers use this?

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    Default Re: kerosene as diesel fuel?

    Gasoline engine choppers use av gas. Turbine powered ones use jet fuel, which is a high class kero. I suspect the FAA would frown on someone running true kero in an aircraft.

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