What is a UOA you ask.

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DieselPower

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The topic seems to come up every week or so as to what a UOA (used oil analysis) is exactly. I thought I would post one so everyone can actually see what one looks like.

What is a UOA and how do you use it you ask. A UOA is performed for two main reasons. One (the most important one) is to check the oil for contamination and wear metals. Increased levels of soot, fuel, water and wear metals, etc... is a indicator that there is something wrong in the engine. Silicon levels on the rise, it's a good indicator that you either have a hole in your air filter or air intake system which is allowing dirt in. Potassium, Sodium and water levels on the rise, you probably have a leaking cylinder liner, liner o-ring or head gasket that is allowing antifreeze into the oil. High levels of Chromium and Titanium and Iron, it's a good indicator that you have increased cylinder liner/piston ring wear. Tin, Lead and Silver on the rise, your bearing's are wearing. These are just a few examples of what you can tell from a UOA.

Second reason for running a UOA program is to extend drain intervals. Just because you are using a high quality oil does not necessarily mean you can extend your drain intervals. Don't just come up with some arbitrary drain interval because you "think" the oil can last that long. With a UOA you can prove how long a lubricant can last. If you change your oil and the additive package is not depleted, the base oil is not worn out and you have no contamination or wear metals showing there is no reason to change the oil. If you do you are more or less dumping money down the drain. With a UOA you can "safely" extend your drain intervals. Let the oil itself tell you when it needs to be changed. Every vehicle, tractor and piece of equipment is different so why would they all have the same drain interval. One person may use their equipment harder than the next. One person may use better lubricants than the next and so on. Not only that but when the manufacturers set drain intervals and put them in a book they have to assume that the person is using the lowest quality oil that just meets their spec but will still attain a good service life. The point being that the published drain intervals are only suggestions since no two machines are the same or are used the same.

So, how do you administer a UOA program. In the beginning the first UOA should be taken at whatever your scheduled book drain interval is (not change the oil, just take the sample). When you get the analysis back see if the oil condition is still OK. If it is extend your interval out about 30%. Example: if the book calls for a 10,000 mile change interval do the first sample at 10,000, next one at 13,000, next one at 16,000 and so on. Keep adding 30% to the sampling frequency until the UOA comes back showing that the oil needs to be changed. Now back off 30%. This gives you a safety margin. So let's say you finally get out to 31,000 miles and the UOA report tells you to change the oil. You would want to set your new scheduled drain interval at no longer than 28,000 miles. From then on you would want to draw a sample at about 14,000 miles or half your new extended drain interval and again at 28,000 miles. The one at 14,000 miles is mainly to check for wear metals and contamination. Walla, you now have a safely run extended drain program set up. Let the lab tell you when to change your oil in your specific equipment and not a book that is just a general guideline.

The next question probably is, who can I get to do a UOA. There are numerous companies that do them. Some oil/lubricants manufacturers supply them at no charge for customers that use their product. You can also pay to have them done and the average is usually around $20.00. WearCheck, Blackstone Laboratories, Dyson Analysis (not cheap but the best and Terry personally reads every report) are just a few. Do a quick internet search and you will find numerous labs to pick from.

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Thanks for the detail of what a UOA actualy looks like. I'm glad to know that when using the TRC lubricant products the UOA is included in the INITIAL purchase price of the lubricant.... a great invitation to use extended drain intervals if they are warranted by the UOA. :D
 
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DieselPower said:
Silicon levels on the rise, it's a good indicator that you either have a hole in your air filter or air intake system which is allowing dirt in. QUOTE]

YO DO, dontcha mean "SILICA"??

silica being one of the base elements of sand.
 
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KICK said:
DieselPower said:
Silicon levels on the rise, it's a good indicator that you either have a hole in your air filter or air intake system which is allowing dirt in.

YO DO, dontcha mean "SILICA"??

silica being one of the base elements of sand.

I think he is correct in saying Silicon. Silica is just another name for Silicon Dioxide (SiO2) Quartz, Sand like you say. They are testing for elemental contamination. Silica is not on the periodic table.
But to each his own.

Thanks for the post Diesel, I've been sorta confused on exactly how the UOA was used as a tool. My truck holds 12qts so it might pay to have it done.
 
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Nope, I mean Silicon. There are many forms, "Silica" being one form. If a UOA shows only Silicon then it is a good indicator that there is dirt being ingested by the air intake system. If however other elements like Potassium and Sodium also show in the UOA it is probably Silicon that is used as a additive used in most antifreezes. Silicon can also show up in a UOA after a engine repair where "Silicon" type RTV sealant's were used. So let's say you have a head gasket replaced and used RTV sealants on some gaskets. If Silicon shows up on the next UOA don't panic. Double check to make sure there are no intake leaks, perform a oil change and at the next UOA the Silicon levels should have drastically dropped.
 
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Thanks for the post Diesel, I've been sorta confused on exactly how the UOA was used as a tool. My truck holds 12qts so it might pay to have it done.[/quote]

I use it as a tool as to know when to change the oil & tell me what's going on in the engine. I don't want to drive 5,6,10,000 miles on an oil that is used up or have no idea as to what is happening to the oil or the inside of my engine till it's too late. So' I will send in a sample to have tested to see how well the oil is / isn't holding up & look at wear # s. I could see fleets getting a better benifit from this than the adverage joe
 
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kenmac said:
I could see fleets getting a better benifit from this than the adverage joe


fleets get a better benefit out of UOA's because they can extrapolate the data across a large group of vehicles and make adjustments to their maintnence schedule.

debatable for the average joe if a 20 dollar oil test will save any money as compared to just changin 20 dollars worth of oil on some kind of regularschedule.

you see lots of people championing UOA's but I'm sceptical of the benefits for one owner of one civilian vehicle.


what is the average guy going to do if he goets an oil analysis done and it shows high amounts of copper or zinc?? rebuild his engine or just drive it until it quits.? it seems to me that unless you are prepared to act on the results of the test you might as well just not do it. end result is the same.

engines are about the most reliable thing on the vehicle anyway, given some routine maintnence.

how many people wear an engine out that has had preventive maintnence? not many, the vehicle falls apart around the engine.

Tractor trailer, bus, heavy equipment is a different story.
 
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FREE.... I repeat, FREE UOA:eek:

If you use the TRC product... and, you get several FREE ...for each fluid change... done kinda at intervals as DieselPower indicated.

DieselPower, maybe you can expand on the point that users of TRC products get free UOA analysis, and thus they can make their own decision on when to change fluids based on oil quality, not hours.
 
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what is the average guy going to do if he goets an oil analysis done and it shows high amounts of copper or zinc?? rebuild his engine or just drive it until it quits.?


Change my oil brand, oil change habits, etc,.

Or, trade the vehicle off:D
 
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For starters, high levels of zinc is not a bad thing, actually in a pre 07 diesel engine it's a good thing. Zinc is a oil additive.

Copper can come from many thing's. Here's the most common areas.

Journal bearings
Gasket materials or sealants containing copper (copper levels will often rise after working on a engine and using a copper fortified RTV, silicon will also rise)
Oil additives
Oil coolers
Oil pump bushing
Thrust washers
Valve guides
Wrist pin bushings

What do you do if you have high levels of wear metals. First, don't sell it yet. :) There may be nothing wrong. The increased levels in one UOA could just be do to particle scarring. This is when a piece of something (casting flash, dirt, etc...) get's into the oil system and get's scraped across a bearing surface like a piece of dirt between the crank and crank bearing. Wear metals will shoot up in the UOA because of all the metal the piece of dirt scratched away. It may seem like a very tiny amount of metal but it shows in a UOA as high levels. First thing to do is not panic. Service the vehicle, in other words, change the oil and filter. Now, after a couple of thousand miles perform another UOA. The majority of the time you will find the wear metal levels have fallen back into the normal range. If they are still high or are even higher you probably have a problem. Depending on the exact metals and the combination of them that is present you can track down the general area these specefic metals would come from if not the exact component that is bad.

The whole idea behind using UOA's is that you can catch problems before they become catastrophic failures. A good example is if you find traces of antifreeze in your oil. There are a few common areas where antifreeze will enter the oil system. Cavitated cylinder liners, cylinder liner o-rings, head gaskets or oil coolers and on some injection systems leaking injector cups. The first thing to do is pull the oil pan, preasureize the cooling system and check for drips. Coolant coming from the liners or liner o-rings will be obvious. A leaking head gasket will be leaking down through one of the oil return passages. Nothing there, move onto the oil cooler, remove and preasure test. If you have a engine with injector cups that go through the coolant passages remove injectors and check for leak...... In other words, find the leak and fix it. The whole idea is that with a UOA you can find trace amounts of contamination, long before you would be able to see it with your eyes. You can catch it before it destorys engine bearings, bushings, etc... which can lead to engine lock up, catastrophic failure. Sure you may have to pull the head and replace the jugs but it is a whole lot cheaper then replacing a entire engine or buying a new vehicle.

The same that holds true for engine UOA's is the same for UOA's performed on hydraulic systems, gear cases, transmissions.....if it's oil it can be tested. Find the cause before it becomes a catastrophic failure.

Now, the question that alway's comes up. Is it cost effective. If you have to pay for the UOA's and are driving a Dodge Neon, maybe, maybe not. If your performing them on your diesel powered truck/tractor, ag tractor, industrial/commercial equipment, etc... then the answer is probably yes. Using the example above with the coolant in oil. What would you rather buy. A $10K-$20K+ engine or a $400 oil cooler?

The simple answer is UOA's are not for everyone. Sure everyone could benefit from them. Everyone could also bebefit from using the best lubricants but not everyone does. UOA programs work best for people looking for maximum equipment protection and longevity. Buy a new car, truck, tractor every 5 years no matter what the hours or miles are on it then the UOA program will probably not do much for you other than allow for safely extended drain intervals. Plan on keeping it untill the body rust off (like me) then odds are yes, the UOA would be a benefit.

Some lubricant manufacturers provide free UOA's only to large industrial/fleet customers. Some offer none at all. A very few include them to everyone, the single owner operator or the large industrial/fleet customer. Are they truely "free". No, nothing in life is truely free. The cost of the UOA's is simply rolled into the price of the product. Your paying for it weather you know your paying for it or not. :) You just have to remember that it is much more economical for a lubricants manufacturer to get UOA's done then it is a individual. They may submit 10's of thousands of UOA's a month and get very good pricing from independent labs if they don't do them themselves inhouse.
 

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