patrick_g
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daTeacha said:
I have seen movie footage of fields being plowed with a Jeep. The footage was shot shortly after the war.
Pat
2wd Always?
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I have seen movie footage of fields being plowed with a Jeep. The footage was shot shortly after the war.
Pat
RobJ
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AchingBack said:
4wd in trucks mean you just get stuck further in the woods, harder to recover. I've seen stuck pictures of tractors here with the same thoughts. Tractors are terrible in the mud, they just sink!
Egon
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Ohh!! I hope were not going to go with only two wheel drive on P/U's. During winter months mine wold never be able to return up the driveway let alone even get close to the driveway!
RobJ
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john_bud said:
I stand corrected!!
If I have to play in the mud...I use an ATV!
daTeacha
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Apparently Egon does not have one of the long gone but not forgotten VW front wheel drive pickups to go with his B7100.
Pat -- absolutely. Marketing decides what gets made. If they think it will sell for a profit, they will build it, regardless of the engineer's recommendations about what might be better. Why else would we have luxuriously appointed monstrously oversized 4x4 SUVs that cost so much the owners are afraid to get them dirty, much less take them anywhere the paint might get a scratch from a branch or a chip from a flying bit of gravel? As I write this there is nearly new Lincoln Navigator sitting in the paved parking lot, driven here by a single smallish sized female on paved roads in good weather. There are numerous 4x4 vehicles driven by both staff and students. I wonder if any of them actually ever engage 4wd, given that we tend to close school if the pavement is less than completely clear.
Pat -- absolutely. Marketing decides what gets made. If they think it will sell for a profit, they will build it, regardless of the engineer's recommendations about what might be better. Why else would we have luxuriously appointed monstrously oversized 4x4 SUVs that cost so much the owners are afraid to get them dirty, much less take them anywhere the paint might get a scratch from a branch or a chip from a flying bit of gravel? As I write this there is nearly new Lincoln Navigator sitting in the paved parking lot, driven here by a single smallish sized female on paved roads in good weather. There are numerous 4x4 vehicles driven by both staff and students. I wonder if any of them actually ever engage 4wd, given that we tend to close school if the pavement is less than completely clear.
Egon
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My truck has 4 wheel drive engaged at quite optimum opportunities which is not that irregular. Dammed if I know what the cost of this is.
But I do know it would not move very well in winter conditions without the the four wheel drive! I do know that in this locality four wheel drive is a blessing come winter time!
N80
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john_bud said:
Well, here is why I like 4wd. And no, I did not get stuck. And yes, my tractor often looks like this. And no, I have never been stuck. (Of course that last bit of information is the type of statement which karma cannot resist correcting so I have no doubt that my next post will involve pictures of my little Kubota being extracted from some unimpressive looking puddle by my B-I-L's 100 hp TWO WHEEL DRIVE ag tractor.) But, up until this moment...I haven't been stuck.
And I'm pretty sure that if I do get stuck on my place, it will not be in the mud, it will be in the sand in the creek bed. R1s perform horribly in the sand, converting forward motion very effectively into downward motion. The closest I've come to being stuck was in the middle of the dry creek bed.
And as for the big Ag tractors having 'traction control', well, I imagine that is more to get traction to the wheel that needs it most rather than preventing wear and tear. Just a guess.
pitt_md
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When tilling my field I put the MX5000 in mud up to the undercarriage before I got it stopped. I did get out but just barely! I have R4's and was wishing I had the ag tires (R1's??) right about then. The R4's filled with mud and looked like slicks. 4WD saved the day!
patrick_g
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Actually in most supposedly 4wd CUTs they are actually 3WD and that is only when you stand on the diff lock! The front typically does not have limited slip.
Just think of the simplification if tractors were made SENSIBLY with just one wheel drive. Normally tractors sit on all their wheels so whichever wheel was the ONE driven wheel would be in contact with the ground. IF 2wd is so superior to 4wd then just think how much better 1wd must be. You don't need that old maint prone differential or a diff lock. You could save on tire fill and just fill the one driven wheel if the fill were a traction thing and not ballast.
Tire wear would be virtually elliminated on the other (non driven) tire. Of course you could equalize the wear and lengthen the service life of the driven tire by alternating the tires between driven and non driven service.
Surely this superiority through reduction ab adsurdum has not escaped the engineers and designers of tractors and are probably only prohibited from introducing 1wd models by an international conspiracy headed by tire and other manufacturers who are looking after their own best long range interests NOT THOSE OF TRACTOR OWNERS!
Pat
Just think of the simplification if tractors were made SENSIBLY with just one wheel drive. Normally tractors sit on all their wheels so whichever wheel was the ONE driven wheel would be in contact with the ground. IF 2wd is so superior to 4wd then just think how much better 1wd must be. You don't need that old maint prone differential or a diff lock. You could save on tire fill and just fill the one driven wheel if the fill were a traction thing and not ballast.
Tire wear would be virtually elliminated on the other (non driven) tire. Of course you could equalize the wear and lengthen the service life of the driven tire by alternating the tires between driven and non driven service.
Surely this superiority through reduction ab adsurdum has not escaped the engineers and designers of tractors and are probably only prohibited from introducing 1wd models by an international conspiracy headed by tire and other manufacturers who are looking after their own best long range interests NOT THOSE OF TRACTOR OWNERS!
Pat
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