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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Diesel break-in

    Deere also sells it. Its supposedly a 10w30 non-detergent oil. Spec'd out for use up to the first 100 hrs of service. New engines come with it. According to the hype "High-quality premium engine oils should not be used as a break-in oil." You can check it all out here. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] http://www.frontierequip.com/library/breakinoil.htm

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    Default Re: Diesel break-in

    INSTRUCTIONS
    New John Deere engines are filled at the factory with John Deere Engine Break-In Oil. During the break-in period, add John Deere Engine Break-In Oil (part number TY22057) as needed to maintain the specified oil level.

    Change the oil and filter after the first 100 hours of operation of a new or rebuilt engine


    I like the term "AFTER" In other words too early is not so good???

    murph

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    Default Re: Diesel break-in

    "in the case of a kubota that would probably be their Kubota branded oil."

    I doubt it. They more than likely use the cheapest oil they can buy that meets specs. That Kubota branded oil is there to sell to you at a premium price.

  4. #24
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    Default Re: Diesel break-in

    "I doubt it. They more than likely use the cheapest oil they can buy that meets specs. That kubota branded oil is there to sell to you at a premium price. "

    Nah, I use Mobil 1. Oh boy, an oil thread and darn but I got to go out of town just when it is getting good and miss all the fun, drats. So, let's see, Kubota uses the cheapest oil they can find that meets spec and JD has a special "break-in" wonder oil but Kubota only uses cheap oil--hmmm--guess it was a good thing I changed that cheap oil out early and put in the Mobil 1. Being a born skeptic, I suspect that those barrels of break-in oil complete with part numbers are that cheap oil that barely meets specs.
    Oil is such a fun topic, snake oil salesman everywhere and even two headed guys and ladys with beards and here I go going out of town! Shucks. Hey, y'all thrash this break-it oil thread out for me and give me a report when I get back. Somewhere out there is a guy that ran break-in oil in his tractor for the first 5,000 hours without a change and his tractor is just getting, ah, broke-in, I can feel it coming. Everyone, be safe and have a fine week. J, born to be a skeptic

  5. #25

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    Default Re: Diesel break-in

    Well, since I started all this maybe I can close it up.

    First, I just confirmed with my dealer's shop tech that JD does ship all it tractors with break-in oil. The same oil is available at retail. The part number mentioned above is a part number for dealers in Canada. The U.S. part number is TY22041 for the gallon size. The break-in oil is also sold in 5 gallon pails and 55 gallon drums.

    I looked up the part in JD's on-line parts oredring system and there is considerable information in a brochure-type format. I have attached a picture of the product but should not attach the web page as I believe it is copyrighted. Here are the specs posted with the product:

    <font color="blue"> A special-blend oil developed to be used in rebuilt or remanufactured engines and new John Deere engines during the break-in period. Identical to John Deere factory-fill break-in oil.

    The first 100 hours of operation is critical to the life and performance of an engine.
    During the first hours of operation, the rings and liners must seat (establish a pattern of surface mating) for proper performance. If this does not occur, the life of the engine can be adversely affected.
    High-quality premium engine oils should not be used as a break-in oil. The superior anti-wear characteristics of premium oils will inhibit the proper matching of components, which could result in excessive oil consumption


    Illus. 92017

    Applications

    Excellent oil for new or rebuilt non-John Deere engines. Engine rebuild instructions should be consulted to determine if special requirements are needed

    Features

    Contains special additives to control piston ring and liner seating without scuffing
    These additives allow rings and liners to seat while protecting valve train and gears from wear. Piston rings and liners establish a good wear pattern for maximum performance and extended engine life

    Chemical and physical properties

    Property Units ASTM method Break-in oil

    Viscosity - mm2/s (cSt) D-445
    40 degrees C 65.5
    100 degrees C 10.4

    Pour point degrees C D-97
    -33

    Flash point (min.) degrees C D-92
    215

    Total base no. mg KOH/g D-2896
    7.5

    Ash level percent mass D-874
    1.02

    Viscosity index - 145 HTHS, 150 degrees C D-624
    3.1
    Order information

    Product number
    Description
    Size Pkg. qty.

    U.S.
    TY22041
    Break-in oil
    1 gal.
    6

    TY22042
    Break-in oil
    55 gal.
    1

    TY22088
    Break-in oil
    5 gal.
    1

    Canada

    TY22057
    Break-in oil
    4L
    4

    CXTY22088
    Break-in oil
    20L pail
    1 </font>

    I didn't see anything about snake oil in there, but I don't understand any of that gobble-dee--gook anyway. I suppose there could be traces.... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

    Whether kubota uses a break-in oil or not is beyond the scope of my research. If they do, I sincerely doubt it would be the "cheapest stuff available" as suggested above.

    My shop tech said changing out the break-in oil certainly wouln't hurt a thing, but using a complex, high-tech oil early on would not allow everything to seat correctly. He told me to knock myself out and put in fresh break-in oil at around 25 hours, but to use the Plus 50 15W-40 at 50 hours. He thought the refresh on break-in oil would actually be a good thing to remove any small shavings from the filter and remove other by products. BTW, the break-in oil is about $11.75 a gallon, in-stock at my dealer.
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    </font><font color="blue" class="small">( The superior anti-wear characteristics of premium oils will inhibit the proper matching of components...)</font>

    Almost sounds like you should use the cheap stuff [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

  7. #27

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    Default Re: Diesel break-in

    My dealer did the original oil change at 50 hours, then I changed it at 100 hours and plan to stay on 100 hour intervals just like it says in the book. I use Mobil Delvac 1300 Super in 15W40 weight. When I changed the oil at 100 hours the oil was not black at all. I have 150 hours on it now so expect to change the again sometime around July. I have a BX2200. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]



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    Default Re: Diesel break-in

    Darn, got the information to late.

    Changed oil in my kubota at about 6 hours and then at 75 hour intervals and 1700 some hours later it's not using any oil.

    Changed oil on the cummings at about 1000 miles and for some reason at 100,000 miles it doesn't use any oil either.

    Egon

  9. #29

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    Default Re: Diesel break-in

    That'll teach ya', Egon! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    I started the thread just trying to figure out the BEST thing to do. Don't know that I've ever done the RIGHT thing when it comes to machines. When I changed my oil on my late, great 445 at 50 hours, I learned that I should have done the first one at 5 hours. I changed it every 25 hours for awhile to make up the difference [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] and never saw a drop of oil leave that engine, except through the drain plug.

  10. #30

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    Default Re: Diesel break-in

    I didn't say " cheapest oil available", I said "cheapest oil that will meet specs". We know that the JD break-in oil, at $11.75 a gallon, is not the cheapest oil available but we don't know the cost on it, either. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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