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Mark Page

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Massey Ferguson 2615 48hp, 4wd, loader
I've noticed that the gear box on my Woods mower has been hot after only an hours mowing. I pulled the hex plug out and some oil trickled out. I decided to replace it and called my dealer. He said pull the top cap off and siphon out the old oil. This sounds a little impractical. He also said to use 80w-90 gear oil, which I have never heard of. I think I'll probably sop the old oil out with rags. He said a new gasket should be made with RTV Red Permatex gasket material.
Does all this sound correct?

BTW- The owner's manual mentions none of this, except the level plug.
 
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Sounds like he's given you solid advice! The siphon he's talking about is most likely one of the little hand siphon pumps you can get at walmart and most auto parts stores for ~ $10, not mouth siphoning like when teenagers used to steal gas (not that any of us has ever done that, but we've heard stories):thumbsup:.

As far as 80W-90 gear oil, it's probably the most common gear oil out there and available anywhere that sells gear oil. If that's the weight the manual states, you can't go wrong with it. I personally use a good synthetic like royal purple in gear boxes because of the heat and relatively low cost as they take so little. Can't point you to any science as for why it's good to do it just makes me feel warm and fuzzy..

RTV for a gasket is good to if you apply it correctly. Here's what I do - Clean both sufaces, run a bead about 1/8" in diameter, let it set-up for 10 or 15 minutes, place the cover on and start the bolts but leave them loose! let the RTV set-up for at least another hour or so (or over night if your not in a hurry). Tighten the bolts and your done.

The two biggest problems many people have using RTV:
1 - not cleaning the mating surfaces.
2 - squeezing all of the sealant out by wrenching the cover in place while it is still wet.

Also, be careful with rags, not a huge deal with a gear box but when cleaning rough cast surfaces they can leave as much lint behind as junk they take out. If you ever want to see how much lint regular rags leave behind, rebuild an automatic transmission with them. If your lucky it'll go 100 miles more likely about 4 blocks:ashamed:
 
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The problem with the oil getting hot inside the gearbox is that it will expand some and that can build pressure inside the box. This can cause the oil to weep past the seals, and possibly even damage them such that they don't seal good and eventually have to be replaced. There are some plugs that have a vent in them, which will let the inernal pressure vent to the outside. I'm looking for a vented plug to fit the gearbox on my bush hog, but haven't had any luck finding one yet.
 
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Doesn't the gearbox have a vent? Think of the gearbox - small oil volume but transmitting a lot of power. It is going to get hot because there is no cooler to get rid of the heat except the walls of the gearbox. I always switch my equipment with gearboxes to a top quality synthetic. General spec is always 80W-90 gear oil. I generally run Caterpillar Synthetic Gear Oil because the Cat dealer is close and the price is reasonable compared to other synthetics. It is 75W-140 and has a 50 degree higher temperature capability than straight mineral oil. I noticed I also have Valvoline and Mobil 1 synthetic gear oil in my cabinet - Cat's smallest quantity is 1 gallon and my outboard lower unit uses only about a quart.
 
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The top cap has a pressure relief valve in it.
Thanks for all the advice.
Mark
 
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Sounds like he's given you solid advice! The siphon he's talking about is most likely one of the little hand siphon pumps you can get at walmart and most auto parts stores for ~ $10, not mouth siphoning like when teenagers used to steal gas (not that any of us has ever done that, but we've heard stories):thumbsup:.

As far as 80W-90 gear oil, it's probably the most common gear oil out there and available anywhere that sells gear oil. If that's the weight the manual states, you can't go wrong with it. I personally use a good synthetic like royal purple in gear boxes because of the heat and relatively low cost as they take so little. Can't point you to any science as for why it's good to do it just makes me feel warm and fuzzy..

RTV for a gasket is good to if you apply it correctly. Here's what I do - Clean both sufaces, run a bead about 1/8" in diameter, let it set-up for 10 or 15 minutes, place the cover on and start the bolts but leave them loose! let the RTV set-up for at least another hour or so (or over night if your not in a hurry). Tighten the bolts and your done.

The two biggest problems many people have using RTV:
1 - not cleaning the mating surfaces.
2 - squeezing all of the sealant out by wrenching the cover in place while it is still wet.

Also, be careful with rags, not a huge deal with a gear box but when cleaning rough cast surfaces they can leave as much lint behind as junk they take out. If you ever want to see how much lint regular rags leave behind, rebuild an automatic transmission with them. If your lucky it'll go 100 miles more likely about 4 blocks:ashamed:

I have a siphon hose with a bulb type primer, but I don't see it working very well with 90 wt. oil. The diameter of the hose is too small. Works great with diesel fuel.
 
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Gearboxes get hot after just a few minutes use even if well lubricated. Dealer has told you right on the oil and all. I use a 1/2 inch clear plastic hose like you find at the TSC store. Just run it till it gets a bit warm. Take out the top fill plug, stick in the hose, suck up the oil and then lay the hose over to a pan and it will all siphon out. Get 7 feet of hose..... It would be better to turn it over and drain it but easier to do it with the siphon hose twice. I figured that gets any stuff thats bouncing around in there out. Takes about a hour to drain my gearbox on my mower. You just start it at kickoff and fill it back up at halftime. :p

Oh if its leaking out the side "check plug" just use some teflon tape and that will seal it. Tape cost about a buck. I use 80/90 because its a bit thinner and I think gives me more horsepower at the blade.......I have no idea on earth if that is correct........:confused2:
 
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The top cap has a pressure relief valve in it.
Thanks for all the advice.
Mark

Glad yours does, the gearbox on my mower doesn't have a relief valve on it. So, I am stuck trying to find a plug that has a vent made into it.
 
 
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