Tractor Definition

[LBrown59]

1*What is a SCUT????.
2*And who makes them?

1*A subcompact is right between a compact and a garden tractor.
2*Kibota JD and MF.

3*Nobodies definition of two classes of a tractor are the same.
4*That's why saying that the Max is deceptive can't be possible.

3*It is when clearfied as stated in #1 above.
4*The MAx is false misleading advertising at best.
They simply do make build or offer a unit that compares to the Kibota JD and MF.

And as I said in the other thread.. I dont care WHAT anyone calls them.
5*Just compare them appropriately. IE: apples to apples.
The problem arises when a manufacture (kubota and deere) believe their 2x20 and B-series are CUT's and their 10-series and BX are SCUT.
Then another MFG goes out and makes a tractor the EXACT SAME SIZE as the B and 2x20 and somehow, just by calling it a SCUT,
6*they think its okay to compare it to the MUCH smaller BX and 10-series:confused2:

Again, I dont care what they are called. Mahindra can call it a SCUT, but for crying-out-loud, compare it to the right tractors from other brands.
7"Most" customers are smart enough to look through their BS, and when they do, it makes mahindra look pretty foolish.

Sorry...off topic there. But they are ALL tractors none-the-less. Just different sizes.
8* An S-10 or ranger is STILL a truck, just like a 1-tons and bigger. Just different sizes.

5*Max don't get this.
6*It's anything but OK.It's just plain decetiful!
7*Sure does : but there are enough naive people that will buy into the lie and a few Maxs will be purchased simply because.so many people are so gullible.
8*Yeah but only Max would compare an S10 with a 1 ton.

 

[DK35vince]

1*A subcompact is right between a compact and a garden tractor.

So explain to us where a compact begins, and why.

 

[Martian]

So explain to us where a compact begins, and why.

And where garden ends. I'm thinking anywhere between a Home Depot/Lowes/Sears lawn tractor to a Kubota L5740 (60HP) and Deere 4720(66HP). Seems like a very wide gap to be calling a SCUT

 

[oliver2255]

ok heres my perspective undder ten hp lawn mower, 10 to 25 hp garden tractor 25 and up tractor you get up to big bud class you have a monster

 

[shane]

There are a lot of big trucks running the roads that are called tractors. Road tractor, tractor trailers, etc. I think the real question is not "what is a tractor" but what is the classifications of tractors. Farm, lawn, road, CUT, SCUT, etc.

 

[NHmitch]

ok heres my perspective undder ten hp lawn mower, 10 to 25 hp garden tractor 25 and up tractor you get up to big bud class you have a monster

I would agree totally with you if it was a gas engine. I have a 21hp MTD riding mower, and it is great for mowing the lawn, but thats it. I have a 15hp diesel ag tractor, and there is no comparison at all. I refer to it as an Ag tractor, because it was rebranded by Bolens FMC and sold legally in the US about 25 years ago, and was intended for agriculture use. Rototilling, plowing, seeding, lifting, and just about any use that a Ag tractor is used for, it was never intended to be used for lawn care, and was, and has been used in Japan, and Europe as a very common agricultural farm tractor for smaller scale farms. Again, I really think that the definition is in the user, and what you use that machine for. The tractor produces 2700 rpm, have 8 speeds, and 4 wheel drive, and weighs 1/2 ton with hydraulics, 3 point cat1 lift and two PTO's. So, not to disagree, because that is a reasonable explanation, but there is a difference and a lot of small tractors have much higher HP than they really need, that is why people get hurt a lot when they buy these, and do not realize what they have bought, or how to use them. Here I go, I told myself I was not going to reply to this thread anymore...Oh well, this can also plow one acre in one minute, not really...Again, sorry, I really did not mean to extend this forum out anymore..

 

[oliver2255]

I would agree totally with you if it was a gas engine. I have a 21hp MTD riding mower, and it is great for mowing the lawn, but thats it. I have a 15hp diesel ag tractor, and there is no comparison at all. I refer to it as an Ag tractor, because it was rebranded by Bolens FMC and sold legally in the US about 25 years ago, and was intended for agriculture use. Rototilling, plowing, seeding, lifting, and just about any use that a Ag tractor is used for, it was never intended to be used for lawn care, and was, and has been used in Japan, and Europe as a very common agricultural farm tractor for smaller scale farms. Again, I really think that the definition is in the user, and what you use that machine for. The tractor produces 2700 rpm, have 8 speeds, and 4 wheel drive, and weighs 1/2 ton with hydraulics, 3 point cat1 lift and two PTO's. So, not to disagree, because that is a reasonable explanation, but there is a difference and a lot of small tractors have much higher HP than they really need, that is why people get hurt a lot when they buy these, and do not realize what they have bought, or how to use them. Here I go, I told myself I was not going to reply to this thread anymore...Oh well, this can also plow one acre in one minute, not really...Again, sorry, I really did not mean to extend this forum out anymore..

i should have specified gas or diesle because i do not see to many diesle lawn mowers at least not in aver joe price range:laughing:

 

[NHmitch]

Thats true, sorry, I did not mean to jump in on it. I actually was just reading Antique Power, and I thought that it was interesting that some of the first tractors sold in this country like the Titan 10-20 had around a 15HP engine, and weighted over 9000 lbs, and would plow several hundred acres. I am sure that it was slow, but they use to burn kerosene in them. Kind of neat tractors. I saw this video where the amish still use these old machines to this day:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZdpSUb5CDs]Amish Wheat Harvest - YouTube[/ame]

And this kind of falls in line with the discussion

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avLeAu5rDdk]Amish Tractor Pull *funny* - YouTube[/ame]

 

[flusher]

What makes a tractor a tractor and a glorified lawn mower a tractor?

My Huskee riding mower (18 hp B&S gas engine) with the 42" mid-mount deck is a lawn mower since it only has the shaft of the engine for powering the mower deck (no easy way to power front or rear mounted implements). My Bolens GT1452 (14 hp Tecumseh gas engine) is a garden tractor that has front and rear pto's and a simple hydraulic lift to raise and lower the rototiller that runs off the rear-facing pto. It can power front, mid and rear mounted implements. My Kubota B7510HST (21 hp diesel) is a SCUT that has mid and rear pto's, a true 3pt hitch, and an FEL with a 4-ft wide bucket.

 

[schmism]

I would agree totally with you if it was a gas engine. I have a 21hp MTD riding mower, and it is great for mowing the lawn, but thats it. I have a 15hp diesel ag tractor, and there is no comparison at all. I refer to it as an Ag tractor, because it was rebranded by Bolens FMC and sold legally in the US about 25 years ago, and was intended for agriculture use.

This is why i threw out the difference between tractor and non tractor based on build type.

frame on builds = sub compact/lawnmowers/ZTR/Jeeps/toolcats/UTVs/skidloaders (not-tractors)
and "split the case" designs = tractor

your example of the Bolens is a split half type design, much more of a tractor than a frame on build kubota BX series which is a shaft drive 2 piece bolt on frame (virtually the same as belt driven rear transaxle "lawn mowers" sold at local big box store) http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...tic-transmission-repair-underway-img_2790.jpg