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    Default Re: Bucket on while bus hogging?

    Quote Originally Posted by whistlepig View Post
    With all due respect it just doesn't work that way. Fulcrum point has nothing to do with it. Weight above the axle is weight above the axle.
    Yes but when the bucket is held near the ground that weight is below the axle. It is where the weight is, not the atttacment point , that matters.

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    Default Re: Bucket on while bus hogging?

    Definitely for all the reasons listed by skipmarcy!
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    Default Re: Bucket on while bus hogging?

    Thanks for all the replies so far. The area to be cut is new to me but not to being cut as it has been done in the past but by someone else.

    I will still take it slow and watch out for any obstacles. I like the idea of running the bucket low to detect anything in my path that I shouldn't run over.

    One thing I didn't try on the trailer was to drop the bucket in front of me and move ahead a little further. I can always leave the loader arms up slightly while in transport. I'm going to measure just how much room there is from the front of the tire and the bucket as it sits attached. I'll give it a try tonite when I load up.
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    Default Re: Bucket on while bus hogging?

    vote is keep the bucket on. more so in unfamiliar territory. bucket can make for a good detector for stuff out in front of you in tall weeds that you can not see through. granted you will most likely push what ever is in front of you over and down into dirt. but it can save your "radiator", tires possibly, underneath tractor from large branch suddenly veering up into tractor as you roll over it. to not cutting stuff up with rotatory cutter.

    the rotatory cutter should have slip clutch that has been adjusted and set correctly (more so if it has been setting for some time, double check slip clutch) or at min a shear bolt. and hopefully some sort of "stump jumper blade setup underneath it. so if you do hit something with rotatory cutter it does not harm the cutter.

    if you do take bucket off, keep the "arms" of the FEL on for front counter weight, for the bush hog. or if you take entire FEL off, put some suit case weights or like on the front.

    i think legally you can have something hanging out the back a couple feet. but do not quote me, regs/laws change to much from area to area.

    suggest making sure you chain/strap the tractor down, the FEL down, and rotatory cutter down to the trailer. it kinda of a pain to add extra chains / straps. but hit a few bumps or make some sharp turns or what not, or something rarely happening, and you could be in some big trouble.
    Ryan

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    Default Re: Bucket on while bus hogging?

    Quote Originally Posted by boggen View Post
    vote is keep the bucket on. more so in unfamiliar territory. bucket can make for a good detector for stuff out in front of you in tall weeds that you can not see through. granted you will most likely push what ever is in front of you over and down into dirt. but it can save your "radiator", tires possibly, underneath tractor from large branch suddenly veering up into tractor as you roll over it. to not cutting stuff up with rotatory cutter.

    the rotatory cutter should have slip clutch that has been adjusted and set correctly (more so if it has been setting for some time, double check slip clutch) or at min a shear bolt. and hopefully some sort of "stump jumper blade setup underneath it. so if you do hit something with rotatory cutter it does not harm the cutter.

    if you do take bucket off, keep the "arms" of the FEL on for front counter weight, for the bush hog. or if you take entire FEL off, put some suit case weights or like on the front.

    i think legally you can have something hanging out the back a couple feet. but do not quote me, regs/laws change to much from area to area.

    suggest making sure you chain/strap the tractor down, the FEL down, and rotatory cutter down to the trailer. it kinda of a pain to add extra chains / straps. but hit a few bumps or make some sharp turns or what not, or something rarely happening, and you could be in some big trouble.
    Good advice. I did check the slip clutch this year and its been kept in the shed so its good to go. It has a stump jumper so thats good too.

    Thanks for the reminder on strapping down the cutter.

    If I can remember to bring the camera I'll take some before and after pics of the cutting and some of the machine,
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    Default Re: Bucket on while bus hogging?

    I never take the loader off to bushog. I would not consider it. It comes in handy in more ways than I can say.

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    Default Re: Bucket on while bus hogging?

    I am not familiar with your tractor, but sometimes I mow without the bucket, without the FEL and sometimes with FEL and bucket. It just depends on the tractor and terrain.

    The most stable setup I ever used was our Massey Ferguson 375 without the FEL.

    There is a really old and very long thread on this discussing COG etc., I don't know that there ever was agreement.
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    Default Re: Bucket on while bus hogging?

    If mowing wide open spaces, I like to keep the bucket on for balance and using it for contingencies as other posters have mentioned. But if there are obstacles to trim around, I can get much closer on the initial pass with the entire loader removed- an easy job with a kubota L753 loader.

    I don't know what your tow rig is but what you seem to be describing about towing with the bucket on or off is also affecting the tractor's center of gravity location ahead of the trailer's rear axle. If you keep the bucket on and the tractor rearward to fit the trailer, your tongue weight may be too low and you go down the road like a jointed rapala. Or worse, down the road ok until you get up to a certain speed, hit some bumps, or get passed by a semi. (Don't ask...)

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    Default Re: Bucket on while bus hogging?

    a follow up on my other post... I've mowed with and without the front end loader and I prefer without. More available power (900 lbs less weight), easier maneuverability, and (yes) a feeling of being more stable. Just a feeling, not taking sides on the COG, just feels less tippy. This is for areas that I've mowed before.

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    I like to leave the front loader on when I am mowing in real high grass where you cannot see the obstacles but when I am mowing slopes the tractor is a lot more stable with it off, locked in 4wd. I mow a lot of retention ponds and I always remove it for that type of mowing

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