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    Default Re: Operating loader without rear ballast

    I didn't see mention of another loader-related reason for weighting the rear: If you are wanting to dig in with the bucket, your front wheels are often off the ground as you try to dig with a combination of curl and forward motion. Front wheels up puts max load on the bucket lip, which is usually good for digging and, with the fronts in the air, your forward motion depends on the traction from the rears (no matter you have 4wd) so you don't want the rears to spin too easily ...but, you do want them to break traction just before something else breaks, of course.

    I think the issue about loading rears (via ballast and/or 3ph implement) has less to do with front bearings and more to do with efficiency and safety. Efficiency as per above, and safety having to do with having a rear wheel come up in the air as you try to lift that recalcitrant load slightly off center in the bucket. This will change your lateral stability and your pucker factor will zoom, especially in you are on a side-hill. This unequal lift is why many dealer willing to install a center bucket hook will advise against putting on hooks at each end which, if used singly rather than as a balanced pair, can be startling (ask me how I know ...now, my joystick hand is always pre-programmed to drop the bucket if...)

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    Default Re: Operating loader without rear ballast

    Quote Originally Posted by boggen View Post
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    adding fluid to rear tires, or adding rear wheel weights. i do not see how could add more weight to front tires.
    if anything front tires, would see total tractor weight (minus) not counting fluid in rear tires and/or rear wheel weights.
    other words, tractor would still trying to do a front wheelie. but rear tires being held down, by fluid in rear tires and/or rear wheel weights. ok bad statement, fluid in rear tires, and/or rear wheel weight. is adding weight to the "rear fulcrum" and in that not adding any weight that is trying to be balanced out. errr that is completely not correct either. yikes it has been way to long since being in school. i done forgot the "depends" or the "except" words being repeatedly being said...
    If you fill the tires, but it isn't enough to hold the rear end down yet, then when you lift with the loader and the rears take off, you have put the entire weight on the front axle, just as mentioned before, but now it is even heavier than it was when not filled. If they lift, it's all on the front. The only way is to counter it behind the rear axle. Even then, if it lifts, it's just that much heavier. You have to have enough back there (or far enough back) that it can't lift off the ground. Once you achieve that, you add even more and it starts to transfer weight back to the rear axle.

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    Default Re: Operating loader without rear ballast

    Quote Originally Posted by RaydaKub View Post
    If you fill the tires, but it isn't enough to hold the rear end down yet, then when you lift with the loader and the rears take off, you have put the entire weight on the front axle, just as mentioned before, but now it is even heavier than it was when not filled. If they lift, it's all on the front. The only way is to counter it behind the rear axle. Even then, if it lifts, it's just that much heavier. You have to have enough back there (or far enough back) that it can't lift off the ground. Once you achieve that, you add even more and it starts to transfer weight back to the rear axle.
    Precisely what I was trying to convey, just in different words
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    Default Re: Operating loader without rear ballast

    ok, two fulcrum points, but... you are still stressing the chassis.

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    Default Re: Operating loader without rear ballast

    Quote Originally Posted by edlegault View Post
    ok, two fulcrum points, but... you are still stressing the chassis.
    You stress the chassis every time you do anything with the tractor. That is why they are built and designed heavy enough to handle the stresses they are able to put on themselves
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    Default Re: Operating loader without rear ballast

    Quote Originally Posted by LD1 View Post
    You stress the chassis every time you do anything with the tractor. That is why they are built and designed heavy enough to handle the stresses they are able to put on themselves
    Exactly. That's why two tractors with the same power but different weights
    will have one out working the other.

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    Default Re: Operating loader without rear ballast

    I played the I don't need no stinking ballast game for a couple years. You will not believe the differance in lifting and moving any load with a few hundred pounds on your back. Just the better ride and control is well worth the couple hundred spent, not including getting rid of the pucker factor.

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    Default Re: Operating loader without rear ballast

    Quote Originally Posted by LD1 View Post
    Precisely what I was trying to convey, just in different words
    No doubt in my mind about that LD, but when they don't understand, ya gotta try 'splainin' in different.

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    Default Re: Operating loader without rear ballast

    I agree with LD1 and Raydakub

    And special thanks to the artistry of Boggen for this jem that helped us understand what a tractor looks like - lol. Can I have this for my avatar?

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    Seriously, Boggen I want it!

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    Default Re: Operating loader without rear ballast

    Quote Originally Posted by dgoyette View Post
    I agree with LD1 and Raydakub

    And special thanks to the artistry of Boggen for this jem that helped us understand what a tractor looks like - lol. Can I have this for my avatar?

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