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    Default Re: To top off the loader bucket or not? That is the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xfaxman View Post
    john_bud thanks for doing the math!

    This is what a very full 1 cu yard bucket looks like.
    NIce pics.

    I have always wondered what it would be like to run one of them with a bucket instead of the forks.

    A question I always pondered though....does it have more power driving into a pile? or more power with the hydraulics extending the boom??
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    Default Re: To top off the loader bucket or not? That is the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by john_bud View Post
    That looks like more than a 1 yd bucket!

    The machine is smaller than it looks. The bucket is 6' wide.
    -p1070005-jpg -p1070007-pn-7140706-jpg

    And another thing... where the heck are all your rocks and roots? If I was digging in that stuff, I'd think I died and went to pure soil heaven!!
    I have rocks and roots, just not here!
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    Default Re: To top off the loader bucket or not? That is the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by LD1 View Post
    NIce pics. Thanks!

    I have always wondered what it would be like to run one of them with a bucket instead of the forks. Fantastic.
    It has a SSQA, So I have both.
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    A question I always pondered though....does it have more power driving into a pile? or more power with the hydraulics extending the boom??
    Plenty of power to fill the bucket. If I am in sand rock or shale, extending the boom will fill the bucket, when the wheels start spinning.

    Note the teeth
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    Default Re: To top off the loader bucket or not? That is the question.

    So you are saying the boom has more power than the wheels?
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    Default Re: To top off the loader bucket or not? That is the question.

    If the wheels aren't getting enough traction... you could extend the bucket with a gazillion horsepower and all it's going to to is push the machine backwards with a gazillion horsepower.

    xtn

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    Default Re: To top off the loader bucket or not? That is the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by LD1 View Post
    So you are saying the boom has more power than the wheels?
    Yep, it seems to. Drawbar pull is listed as 6970 pounds. Operating weight is 60648 lbs and it always has been able to pull or push itself out of any motion impaired situation!

    Like this one, got in a soft spot by the pond drain valve.
    -p7100063-jpg -p7100064-jpg
    Couldn't pull it uphill with the stump bucket.

    First push back.
    -p7100071-jpg -p7100072-jpg -p7100074-jpg

    Second push back.
    -p7100078-jpg -p7100079-jpg

    Third push back, the rear is on solid ground, see the dirt on top of the receiver hitch, it was buried on the first push.
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    Default Re: To top off the loader bucket or not? That is the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by xtn View Post
    If the wheels aren't getting enough traction... you could extend the bucket with a gazillion horsepower and all it's going to to is push the machine backwards with a gazillion horsepower.

    xtn
    On this machine if the bucket isn't full and the wheels start spinning, I extend the boom, the machine slides back some as they dig deeper and the bucket goes forward enough to get it full.
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    Default Re: To top off the loader bucket or not? That is the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xfaxman View Post
    On this machine if the bucket isn't full and the wheels start spinning, I extend the boom, the machine slides back some as they dig deeper and the bucket goes forward enough to get it full.
    Gotcha... kinda dig yourself dirt chocks behind the tires to push against. I didn't think of that.

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    Default Re: To top off the loader bucket or not? That is the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmysisson View Post
    What do you do when your bucket won't roll back enough to fill, see pic. Lucky for me I don't move piles of mat'l often.

    Attachment 342746

    You may be able to get a bucket with a deeper bottom. This would allow you to get more roll back. I have the same issue with my 463 loader and I end up switching to a 72" Cat skidsteer bucket when I need to move piles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xfaxman View Post
    Yep, it seems to. Drawbar pull is listed as 6970 pounds. Operating weight is 60648 lbs and it always has been able to pull or push itself out of any motion impaired situation!
    WHOA!

    60,648 POUNDS whooo wheeee that's one heavy sucker.

    Unless it's s typo

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