bandit67
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- 2012 B3000 HSDCC 2020 Z251 Zero Turn
A while back, a TBN member asked me to make a comparison between the BX22/BX23 and the Case IH DX24E / NH TZ24DA subcompact models, as I own a Case DX24E and have quite a bit of seat time on a BX22, many times, in a side-by-side situation.
Following is an excerpt from that original post:
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( As many have said, I don't think you can go wrong with either. I chose the Case because I preferred more of the Case features over the Kubota.
I preferred the dual hydro pedals over the treddle pedal (probably because all of my previous experience was with gear drive machines), but as time's gone by, I've gotten more accustomed to the Kubota pedal, and it doesn't bother me as much as it did when I first started with the new machines. I've gotten fairly comfortable with how to use it, and in certain circumstances, like driving with the pedal fully engaged for any sort of distance, I actually now prefer the Kubota treddle pedal.
I still much prefer the Case curved loader arms, sloped hood, and slightly higher seating position over the Kubota, as I can see out in front of the machine much better. Both FELs seem very comparable - I haven't pushed the Kubota FEL as far as I have the Case, so I don't know exactly how they compare at the upper limits. I am very impressed with the strength of the Case FEL. As a small test, I've loaded 640 lbs of bagged concrete mix (some 200# over the listed limits), and was able to easily lift it full height - I was curious as to it's lift capacity, as I've strained it moving loads of stone. I prefer the Case for FEL work, so when I have both machines at my disposal, I switch back to my machine when I need to do a bunch of loader work.
Both motors are very strong, but the Kubota SEEMS to have just a slight edge at idle, but the differences disappear at anything above idle. The Kubota's traction is significantly better with turfs than my machine was with turfs, but that's due to the weight of the backhoe - I'm sure that the Case with the Woods backhoe would equal the Kubota's traction capabilities.
I prefer the larger 3pt hitch on my Case, as I have 3 different implements that I switch between. The Kubota 3pt hitch goes virtually unused by either of us. It will be interesting to compare the the hitches once we hook up my tiller to both machines for the side by side comparison.
The Case & NH have a big advantage with the 8 gallon fuel tank compared to the Kubota 5.5 gallon tank. Engine access is better on the Case & NH - my neighbor removed his side panels to do some maintenance and never put them back on because he didn't want to have to keep pulling them off each time he wanted to get to the motor, so his Kubota doesn't look as pretty.
Also, the orange paint definitely attracts more bees than the red paint does.
With my neighbor owning a BX22, and my not thinking I'd actually have that much use for a backhoe, I really couldn't justify getting a BX23, so it came down to the BX2230 and the Case DX24E or NH TZ24, and the Case & NH felt a little more comfortable to me. However, with the amount of use I've had for the backhoe, if one of us moves, then there is a 90% chance I will buy the Groundbreaker backhoe for my machine.
Overall, the quality seems to be comparable with both machines. Both of our machines have experienced various minor parts breakage/failures that were nothing more than minor inconveniences. Both are very capable machines. I think in the end, when choosing one of these machines, it should simply come down to personal ergonomic comfort and price. Kubota has the edge if you are looking for a backhoe, but now that Woods has the Groundbreaker, the Case & NH should be at least considered. )</font>
Yesterday, I did some digging with both machines to put in some new crawl space at my house, which is going through a major renovation. I was switching back and forth between both machines, using my machine to do a lot of the loader digging, and the BX22 for all of the backhoe work. However, I also did some loader digging with the BX22, when it made sense to just turn the seat around and scoop up larger quantities of dirt with the FEL than the backhoe could do.
Something I did notice when driving both machines down into the hole to scoop/dig dirt with the FEL, was that the BX22 hydro tranny seems to be significantly stronger than the Case DX24E hydro tranny. With the front of the tractor down in the hole, and the back end up near the top of the hole on a pretty steep incline, in 4wd and backing out from a dead stop, I found the BX tranny seemed to hook up and pull the machine with a loaded bucket out of the hole better than my machine did. There just seemed to be a lot more internal tranny slipping, and quite a bit more whine on my machine, as it struggled to back itself out of the hole. The differences are that the BX has turf tires, and another 350-400 lbs on the back end than my machine, and my machine has bar tread tires. I would think that if I had that extra weight on the back of my machine, it might struggle even more, but it's possible that had I had the weight of a backhoe on the Case, it may have caused the rear end to hook up a bit quicker and stronger. I'm sure a lot of the power was going to the heavier loaded front wheels on the Case that only had a 275 lb 60" rear blade on the back.
But as both machines were equipped yesterday, the BX was better able to back up the steep ramp from a dead stop with a fully loaded bucket than the Case was. I think the BX22/23 really is a true small TLB, and seems very capable of handling a lot of the punishment that a TLB is subjected to. The more I use both machines, the more I wish I didn't have access to both, as it constantly makes me wish I could just take the strongest features of both machines and combine them into one awesome little tractor. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Following is an excerpt from that original post:
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( As many have said, I don't think you can go wrong with either. I chose the Case because I preferred more of the Case features over the Kubota.
I preferred the dual hydro pedals over the treddle pedal (probably because all of my previous experience was with gear drive machines), but as time's gone by, I've gotten more accustomed to the Kubota pedal, and it doesn't bother me as much as it did when I first started with the new machines. I've gotten fairly comfortable with how to use it, and in certain circumstances, like driving with the pedal fully engaged for any sort of distance, I actually now prefer the Kubota treddle pedal.
I still much prefer the Case curved loader arms, sloped hood, and slightly higher seating position over the Kubota, as I can see out in front of the machine much better. Both FELs seem very comparable - I haven't pushed the Kubota FEL as far as I have the Case, so I don't know exactly how they compare at the upper limits. I am very impressed with the strength of the Case FEL. As a small test, I've loaded 640 lbs of bagged concrete mix (some 200# over the listed limits), and was able to easily lift it full height - I was curious as to it's lift capacity, as I've strained it moving loads of stone. I prefer the Case for FEL work, so when I have both machines at my disposal, I switch back to my machine when I need to do a bunch of loader work.
Both motors are very strong, but the Kubota SEEMS to have just a slight edge at idle, but the differences disappear at anything above idle. The Kubota's traction is significantly better with turfs than my machine was with turfs, but that's due to the weight of the backhoe - I'm sure that the Case with the Woods backhoe would equal the Kubota's traction capabilities.
I prefer the larger 3pt hitch on my Case, as I have 3 different implements that I switch between. The Kubota 3pt hitch goes virtually unused by either of us. It will be interesting to compare the the hitches once we hook up my tiller to both machines for the side by side comparison.
The Case & NH have a big advantage with the 8 gallon fuel tank compared to the Kubota 5.5 gallon tank. Engine access is better on the Case & NH - my neighbor removed his side panels to do some maintenance and never put them back on because he didn't want to have to keep pulling them off each time he wanted to get to the motor, so his Kubota doesn't look as pretty.
Also, the orange paint definitely attracts more bees than the red paint does.
With my neighbor owning a BX22, and my not thinking I'd actually have that much use for a backhoe, I really couldn't justify getting a BX23, so it came down to the BX2230 and the Case DX24E or NH TZ24, and the Case & NH felt a little more comfortable to me. However, with the amount of use I've had for the backhoe, if one of us moves, then there is a 90% chance I will buy the Groundbreaker backhoe for my machine.
Overall, the quality seems to be comparable with both machines. Both of our machines have experienced various minor parts breakage/failures that were nothing more than minor inconveniences. Both are very capable machines. I think in the end, when choosing one of these machines, it should simply come down to personal ergonomic comfort and price. Kubota has the edge if you are looking for a backhoe, but now that Woods has the Groundbreaker, the Case & NH should be at least considered. )</font>
Yesterday, I did some digging with both machines to put in some new crawl space at my house, which is going through a major renovation. I was switching back and forth between both machines, using my machine to do a lot of the loader digging, and the BX22 for all of the backhoe work. However, I also did some loader digging with the BX22, when it made sense to just turn the seat around and scoop up larger quantities of dirt with the FEL than the backhoe could do.
Something I did notice when driving both machines down into the hole to scoop/dig dirt with the FEL, was that the BX22 hydro tranny seems to be significantly stronger than the Case DX24E hydro tranny. With the front of the tractor down in the hole, and the back end up near the top of the hole on a pretty steep incline, in 4wd and backing out from a dead stop, I found the BX tranny seemed to hook up and pull the machine with a loaded bucket out of the hole better than my machine did. There just seemed to be a lot more internal tranny slipping, and quite a bit more whine on my machine, as it struggled to back itself out of the hole. The differences are that the BX has turf tires, and another 350-400 lbs on the back end than my machine, and my machine has bar tread tires. I would think that if I had that extra weight on the back of my machine, it might struggle even more, but it's possible that had I had the weight of a backhoe on the Case, it may have caused the rear end to hook up a bit quicker and stronger. I'm sure a lot of the power was going to the heavier loaded front wheels on the Case that only had a 275 lb 60" rear blade on the back.
But as both machines were equipped yesterday, the BX was better able to back up the steep ramp from a dead stop with a fully loaded bucket than the Case was. I think the BX22/23 really is a true small TLB, and seems very capable of handling a lot of the punishment that a TLB is subjected to. The more I use both machines, the more I wish I didn't have access to both, as it constantly makes me wish I could just take the strongest features of both machines and combine them into one awesome little tractor. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif