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    Default Re: Lets talk BATTERIES (12v starter batteries)

    Quote Originally Posted by Treemonkey1000 View Post
    Another thought along with it being a brute force starting battery is that it is part of the ballast for weight on your machine?
    A few pounds difference in battery mounted above the engine is not going to make a lick of difference on a 10,000lb machine
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    Default Re: Lets talk BATTERIES (12v starter batteries)

    Technically you could use smaller batteries in parallel but as other have stated these 4d batteries are brutes and can take alot of abuse from vibration or being left in the field for months on end through winter and still be able to start the tractor in the spring. It seems you're looking at the CCA (cold-cranking-amps) but not the reserve. With diesels not only do you have to sping the motor at a respectable speed to ignite the diesel but you might have to crank for extended periods. This is where the reserve will come into play. Last time I looked at TSC for the 4D's they were about $119 and say 2 duralast batteries from Autozone were about $89 a piece. So which is cheaper?
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    Default Re: Lets talk BATTERIES (12v starter batteries)

    Quote Originally Posted by K7LN View Post
    What you're looking at is a common BCI Group 4D battery.

    A 4D battery is not correct and too tall for this application. The correct battery is a BCI group 4DLT.
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    Default Re: Lets talk BATTERIES (12v starter batteries)

    Just an update,

    Already got the battery. Whatever TSC showed in their book as the replacement. 4d or 4dlt, whatever it is. It is BIG and it was EXPENSIVE. ~ $120. But it works like a charm. Cranks over pretty good and fires her right up
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    Default Re: Lets talk BATTERIES (12v starter batteries)

    I've been researching batteries for my 21hp 3cyl Diesel. I took out a Napa Commerical battery. 14 X 7 X 8. When I upgraded to a Hi Torque starter the battery didn't seem to have the nut to spin it quick. I had a couple Group 65 Durolast Gold batteries in my JD450 Trackhoe. I put one in my little tractor and it still didn't seem to have much power. They are from 2007 and when I had them in my 450 (2X12volts) then would start it like a champ. The Durolast is 1000cca battery. Should I just buy another big Napa battery or am I missing something. I know the Durolast won't have as much reserve power but I would think with 1000cca is should spin up that little motor no problem.

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    Default Re: Lets talk BATTERIES (12v starter batteries)

    Quote Originally Posted by racerboy832 View Post
    I've been researching batteries for my 21hp 3cyl Diesel. I took out a Napa Commerical battery. 14 X 7 X 8. When I upgraded to a Hi Torque starter the battery didn't seem to have the nut to spin it quick. I had a couple Group 65 Durolast Gold batteries in my JD450 Trackhoe. I put one in my little tractor and it still didn't seem to have much power. They are from 2007 and when I had them in my 450 (2X12volts) then would start it like a champ. The Durolast is 1000cca battery. Should I just buy another big Napa battery or am I missing something. I know the Durolast won't have as much reserve power but I would think with 1000cca is should spin up that little motor no problem.
    Is it a gear reduction starter? You shouldn't need 1000 cca for a 3 cyl diesel. What weight of oil in the crankcase?
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    Default Re: Lets talk BATTERIES (12v starter batteries)

    My preferance would be 2 biggest 6 volts in series that you can fit in the space.
    I don't like to parallel due to 'self draining' or cross draining,( had a GMC with 2 batteries and always needed to change both due to that).

    On the other hand, good glow plugs, light wt oil and block heater should start with any 1000 CCA 12 V battery.

    On that backhoe, they possibly over battery the installation due to the fact that that type of equipment could often be out on a jobsite where there is no way of plugging in a block heatre.

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    Default Re: Lets talk BATTERIES (12v starter batteries)

    Same question as "racerboy". I have a kubota L-3010 3 cyl diesel.
    It cranked slowly this winter so I changed the oil to Mobile ONE 5W40 oil. Still cranks slowly; after it starts and warms it cranks fine.
    It has the OEM battery of about 550CCA. (group 24) If I replace this battery would it help to look for a more powerful battery? I've seen some listed at 800 CCA? Some list AH but I don't understand that sort of data?????
    Any recommendations out there

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    Default Re: Lets talk BATTERIES (12v starter batteries)

    What works for me. About 7 years ago my 1981 300d Mercedes diesel broke a 1 year old replacement timing chain. Long story short, valves kissed piston cam broke in two places, mechanic died in accident, no warranty. This old diesel had a large one year old battery. At the same time my Ford 2810 needed a battery. This old Mercedes battery I bought from Advance is still working fine in the tractor. I bought 2 of the "4-dlt" farm batteries and none of them lasted over 30 months and the warranty is almost nill. I did buy a smart charger and it seems to have increased the life of all my 12-volt batteries.
    When I buy batteries now I buy the best battery from a store that is open when I need them.
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    Default Re: Lets talk BATTERIES (12v starter batteries)

    Found out in my case it wasn't a bad starter. It was weak voltage to the Solenoid. The IGN switch on start position also powers the GP's. It was Under 11 Volts. When I made it so only starter gets power on Start it spins it up like mad. Lesson learned. Just figure i'd post it to help someone else out. I was pulling my hair our over getting batteries that were as big as I can.

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