Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 13
  1. #1
    Silver Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    135
    Location
    KY
    Tractor
    Kubota L3800

    Default

    I looked at a Massey 245 this weekend with only 2000 hours but in very rough shape. It has the Perkins diesel and I noticed a decent quantity of oil on the ground under the front of the engine. I didn't poke around enough to see exactly where it was coming from, except to see that it didn't appear to be leaking from the front shaft bearing.

    Where are the common leak points on these engines and how hard (expensive) are they to fix. I'm probably an idiot but I'm thinking about seeing if the owner will let it go for around $3000. I figure it will probably need another $1K to get the PS working again, replace the exhaust, fix the leaks...

  2. #2
    Super Member flusher's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    6,444
    Location
    Northern California-Tehama Co.
    Tractor
    2008 Mahindra 5525, 1964 MF-135 diesel, 1951 Farmall Super A, 1951 Minneapolis Moline BF, 1945 Oliver 60 Row Crop, 1949 JD B widefront

    Default Re: Perkins AD3-152 most common oil leaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elkins45 View Post
    I looked at a Massey 245 this weekend with only 2000 hours but in very rough shape. It has the Perkins diesel and I noticed a decent quantity of oil on the ground under the front of the engine. I didn't poke around enough to see exactly where it was coming from, except to see that it didn't appear to be leaking from the front shaft bearing.

    Where are the common leak points on these engines and how hard (expensive) are they to fix. I'm probably an idiot but I'm thinking about seeing if the owner will let it go for around $3000. I figure it will probably need another $1K to get the PS working again, replace the exhaust, fix the leaks...

    The rear main crankshaft seal is a potential leak source. On my 1964 MF135 diesel (the Perkins AD3-152) there is a small weep hole on the bottom of the clutch housing. Ream it out with a small twist drill or piece of wire. If you get a few drops of oil, that's normal. If the flow is heavier, it's probably that seal.

    To fix main bearings on the Perkins, you have to drop the oil pan which is a heavy casting that's part of the tractor's main structure.

    Good luck.

  3. #3
    Super Member Farmwithjunk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    7,514
    Location
    Mt Washington, Kentucky
    Tractor
    Where do I begin.....

    Default Re: Perkins AD3-152 most common oil leaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elkins45 View Post
    I looked at a Massey 245 this weekend with only 2000 hours but in very rough shape. It has the Perkins diesel and I noticed a decent quantity of oil on the ground under the front of the engine. I didn't poke around enough to see exactly where it was coming from, except to see that it didn't appear to be leaking from the front shaft bearing.

    Where are the common leak points on these engines and how hard (expensive) are they to fix. I'm probably an idiot but I'm thinking about seeing if the owner will let it go for around $3000. I figure it will probably need another $1K to get the PS working again, replace the exhaust, fix the leaks...
    Front leaks, I'd check timing gear cover. Rear leaks are USUALLY rear oil pan gaskets. Rear main seal is 1 in a 1000 compared to pan gaskets. Also look for leaks around power steering.
    There are three kinds of men;
    1.) The ones that learn by reading
    2.) The few who learn by observation
    3.) The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.

  4. #4
    Silver Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    135
    Location
    KY
    Tractor
    Kubota L3800

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Farmwithjunk

    Front leaks, I'd check timing gear cover. Rear leaks are USUALLY rear oil pan gaskets. Rear main seal is 1 in a 1000 compared to pan gaskets. Also look for leaks around power steering.
    How much trouble is it to replace the timing chain cover gasket?

  5. #5
    Super Member Farmwithjunk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    7,514
    Location
    Mt Washington, Kentucky
    Tractor
    Where do I begin.....

    Default Re: Perkins AD3-152 most common oil leaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elkins45 View Post
    How much trouble is it to replace the timing chain cover gasket?
    Depends on how you define "trouble"....

    You'll need to remove hood, grill, radiator, water pump, belt, hoses, lower pulley, and to do the job RIGHT the oil pan should be done at the same time.

    I have an old MF dealer flat rate book. Timing chain cover R&R is listed @ 7.2 man hours.
    There are three kinds of men;
    1.) The ones that learn by reading
    2.) The few who learn by observation
    3.) The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.

  6. #6
    Silver Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    135
    Location
    KY
    Tractor
    Kubota L3800

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Farmwithjunk

    Depends on how you define "trouble"....

    You'll need to remove hood, grill, radiator, water pump, belt, hoses, lower pulley, and to do the job RIGHT the oil pan should be done at the same time.

    I have an old MF dealer flat rate book. Timing chain cover R&R is listed @ 7.2 man hours.
    That's how I define "trouble".

    There's a diesel 235 listed on Craigslist not too far from you. I might give it a look this weekend when I'm back in town. I don't really need another 'project' if I can avoid it. I would rather buy one that only might be trouble over one that I already know has problems, even if it costs a few hundred more.

  7. #7
    Super Member Farmwithjunk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    7,514
    Location
    Mt Washington, Kentucky
    Tractor
    Where do I begin.....

    Default Re: Perkins AD3-152 most common oil leaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elkins45 View Post
    That's how I define "trouble".

    There's a diesel 235 listed on Craigslist not too far from you. I might give it a look this weekend when I'm back in town. I don't really need another 'project' if I can avoid it. I would rather buy one that only might be trouble over one that I already know has problems, even if it costs a few hundred more.
    On the 235; Check steering components really close.....That was their weak point. Front axle, steering, especially POWER steering (if equipped) were problematic at best. Replacement power steering cylinders are virtually non existant. The 235 didn't stay in production long before it was replaced.
    There are three kinds of men;
    1.) The ones that learn by reading
    2.) The few who learn by observation
    3.) The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.

  8. #8
    Super Member RickB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2000
    Posts
    7,382
    Location
    Eastern NY
    Tractor
    Case 885, Ford 4000

    Default Re: Perkins AD3-152 most common oil leaks?

    Perkins generally leak from any area that is supposed to retain fluids to any surface below the engine.


    (sorry, sometimes I simply cannot help myself)
    We have too much gun control.
    What we need is more idiot control.

  9. #9
    Silver Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    135
    Location
    KY
    Tractor
    Kubota L3800

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Farmwithjunk

    On the 235; Check steering components really close.....That was their weak point. Front axle, steering, especially POWER steering (if equipped) were problematic at best. Replacement power steering cylinders are virtually non existant. The 235 didn't stay in production long before it was replaced.
    Hmmm... You make it sound like the really rough 245 (PS is already dead) might be a better long-term buy if I can't get parts for the 235.

  10. #10
    Super Member Farmwithjunk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    7,514
    Location
    Mt Washington, Kentucky
    Tractor
    Where do I begin.....

    Default Re: Perkins AD3-152 most common oil leaks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elkins45 View Post
    Hmmm... You make it sound like the really rough 245 (PS is already dead) might be a better long-term buy if I can't get parts for the 235.
    The 235 is a good tractor. For the most part, an upgraded 135, but with what MF was hoping would be a better steering system. That flopped..... Avoid a 235 if it's ever had a loader. Beyond that, the 235 is essentially the same as a 245. If the steering appears to be sound, and not abused, I'd not hesitate to give one a fair shot.

    The thing is, 135's, 150's, 235's, 240's, 241's, 245's and 250's are VERY common tractors. They pop up for sale from time to time. Fall and winter is usually a better time to find a good deal. I avoid "rough" tractors like the plague unless they are cheap CHEAP. It's so easy to sink a lot of bux into one if it needs a lot of work.

    If I see/hear of any bargains on a good 70/80's Massey any time soon, I'll give you a shout.
    There are three kinds of men;
    1.) The ones that learn by reading
    2.) The few who learn by observation
    3.) The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Do it yourself, oil change!
    By bird1968 in forum Parts/Repairs
    Replies: 34
    Last Post: 07-23-2011, 08:03 PM
  2. Oil & Fuel LK3054 OIL LITE STAYS ON TO 1400 RPMS
    By CalTrac in forum Kioti Owning/Operating
    Replies: 32
    Last Post: 05-18-2010, 06:42 PM
  3. Oil Failure
    By TPS in forum Oil, Fuel & Lubricants
    Replies: 29
    Last Post: 07-01-2009, 12:52 PM
  4. 2007 Chef of the Year Southest & Olive Oil
    By rox in forum Family and Friends (Announcements & Notices)
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 07-30-2007, 02:21 PM
  5. Oil & Fuel Motor Oil as the Hydraulic Oil in Power Trac
    By DieselPower in forum Power Trac
    Replies: 131
    Last Post: 05-19-2007, 08:28 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
© 2014 TractorByNet.com. TractorByNet is a registered trademark of IMC Digital Universe, Inc. Other trademarks on this page are the property of their respective owners.