Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11
  1. #1
    Bronze Member hitts427's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    60
    Location
    chesaning Mi.
    Tractor
    kioti lk 3054

    Default Kioti lk 3054 hard start

    I'm having a cold start problem.New glow plugs,switch,glow plug coil indicator.When I run a voltage check on the glow plugs it reads 5.5.I hear I should be showing 10.5.I have to heat the plugs close to two minutes to start in the cold.The dealer says 25 seconds should be plenty.Any ideas of where to go next?Thanks in advance.Ken

  2. #2
    Super Star Member k0ua's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    14,216
    Location
    Branson, Mo.
    Tractor
    Kioti DK35se Hydrostat

    Default Re: Kioti lk 3054 hard start

    Quote Originally Posted by hitts427 View Post
    I'm having a cold start problem.New glow plugs,switch,glow plug coil indicator.When I run a voltage check on the glow plugs it reads 5.5.I hear I should be showing 10.5.I have to heat the plugs close to two minutes to start in the cold.The dealer says 25 seconds should be plenty.Any ideas of where to go next?Thanks in advance.Ken
    You have a high resistance joint. So the voltage is dropping to the 5.5 volts. Take readings starting on the battery posts themselves. NOT the battery clamps. Measure right on top of the posts. Get an assistant to operate the tractor and you take the readings. Move down the line taking readings. Could be the battery cables themselves. Very likely. Or could be the connections to the frame of the tractor or the could easily be the Glow plug relay connections. But somewhere you have a high resistance connection that is dropping the voltage available to the glow plugs, provided you don't have a "nearly shorted" glow plug that is dragging down the voltage. But you mentioned replacing the glow plugs. Keep in mind with the high currents we are talking about here likely 60 amps that the glow plugs would draw if placed across the battery, it takes very little resistance in the path to result in a large voltage drop. Just a little over .1 ohms of resistance would result in a 7 volt drop. So everything must be clean and tight and unburned to allow the proper current to flow to the plugs to get the proper heating. Prove this to yourself, take the glow plug rail loose from all of the plugs, and run through the glow plug cycle, and undoubtedly you will have 12.6 volts on the glow plug rail but as soon as you try to draw the approximately 60 amps of current that the glow plugs would normally draw the voltage drop will occur.

    James K0UA
    James KUA

    Kioti DK35se hydrostat with 2 QA buckets, 48 inch. King Kutter Rotary Cutter. 750 lbs ballast box. Loaded tires, Construction Attachments SSQA Lightweight Pallet forks. EA 50 inch single lid "wicked" Grapple. Satisfied Everlast PA160 welder owner How to add a link to a post . Best way to search TBN


  3. #3
    Bronze Member hitts427's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    60
    Location
    chesaning Mi.
    Tractor
    kioti lk 3054

    Default Re: Kioti lk 3054 hard start

    Thanks Koua, I'll check it out tomorrow.You've given me some good places to start.Ken

  4. #4
    Veteran Member IH3444's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,720

    Default Re: Kioti lk 3054 hard start

    Once again, most inexpensive way out is a $50 block heater. Starts like summer time.

  5. #5
    Bronze Member hitts427's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    60
    Location
    chesaning Mi.
    Tractor
    kioti lk 3054

    Default Re: Kioti lk 3054 hard start

    I would agree IH3444 but my dealer says that block heaters,at least the ones that go in the radiator hose will dry out the cylinders and could cause a problem.I guess it makes sense.I went to start mine today and had to use the glow plug so long that I started to melt the dash and then I touched it to see if it really was hot and burnt my dang finger.Been trying to chase down wires but so far no luck.I'm tempted to go to TSC(tough sh&t charlies and get a water in line water heater.

  6. #6
    Bronze Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    95
    Location
    St.Albans,Maine
    Tractor
    TYM T451,bolens G214.John Deere 440CID,Shaver sc25 stunpbuster,woods750 backhoe,wallenstien splitter,woods bb60 mower,woods 60"tiller,countryline tiller,99 international 4700 car carrier

    Default Re: Kioti lk 3054 hard start

    Block heater that goes in one of the expansion plugs"freeze plugs"are the best ones to use if you can.You could also consider a magnetic oil pan heater if your oil pan is steel

  7. #7
    Bronze Member hitts427's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    60
    Location
    chesaning Mi.
    Tractor
    kioti lk 3054

    Default Re: Kioti lk 3054 hard start

    Koua,I went through some of those steps and long story short I took out 2 (3rd one behind fuel line) glow plugs and hooked them in series to the power wire off tractor.I turned on preheat switch and they lit up in 10 seconds.Not sure about taking the 3rd won out now.So I think there working when in the head.So probably compression check now ? Darn it.lol

  8. #8
    Super Star Member k0ua's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    14,216
    Location
    Branson, Mo.
    Tractor
    Kioti DK35se Hydrostat

    Default Re: Kioti lk 3054 hard start

    Quote Originally Posted by hitts427 View Post
    Koua,I went through some of those steps and long story short I took out 2 (3rd one behind fuel line) glow plugs and hooked them in series to the power wire off tractor.I turned on preheat switch and they lit up in 10 seconds.Not sure about taking the 3rd won out now.So I think there working when in the head.So probably compression check now ? Darn it.lol
    But you said the measured voltage on the Glow Plug rail was 5.5 volts. and that ain't right. I still say the glow plugs are not getting sufficient voltage to make the heat they need to make. And if the voltage on the battery posts is about 12 during the glow plug cycle. and 5.5 on the rail. by definition you have a high resistance connection to cause a 7 volt voltage drop. Just because they light up does not mean they work properly, and produce the required amount of heat.

    James K0UA
    James KUA

    Kioti DK35se hydrostat with 2 QA buckets, 48 inch. King Kutter Rotary Cutter. 750 lbs ballast box. Loaded tires, Construction Attachments SSQA Lightweight Pallet forks. EA 50 inch single lid "wicked" Grapple. Satisfied Everlast PA160 welder owner How to add a link to a post . Best way to search TBN


  9. #9
    Bronze Member hitts427's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    60
    Location
    chesaning Mi.
    Tractor
    kioti lk 3054

    Default Re: Kioti lk 3054 hard start

    Thanks for hanging in there Koua.You can probably tell I'm a newbie at electrical.I bought my first volt meter for this job.I'm mostly working alone but did get my grandson to turn key a couple times.That's why I had the bright idea of pulling glow plugs to test.I will reread your posts and this weekend when I can get some help I will be going over the steps again.Snow coming tomorrow and wanted to get this thing going.Ken

  10. #10
    Veteran Member Jerry/MT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    1,989
    Location
    Western Montana
    Tractor
    New Holland TD95D, Ford 4610 & Ferguson TO-30

    Default Re: Kioti lk 3054 hard start

    Quote Originally Posted by hitts427 View Post
    I would agree IH3444 but my dealer says that block heaters,at least the ones that go in the radiator hose will dry out the cylinders and could cause a problem.I guess it makes sense.I went to start mine today and had to use the glow plug so long that I started to melt the dash and then I touched it to see if it really was hot and burnt my dang finger.Been trying to chase down wires but so far no luck.I'm tempted to go to TSC(tough sh&t charlies and get a water in line water heater.
    What's there to dry out in the cylinders? Are you operating underwater? I think your dealer is shinning you on!

    Block heaters are offered by the OEM and rad hose heaters, while not as effective as block heaters, just heat the water jackets like a regular block heater.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Kioti 3054 won't start
    By Tango in forum Kioti Owning/Operating
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 11-29-2010, 08:34 PM
  2. Kioti LK 3054
    By bennie in forum Kioti Owning/Operating
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 07-25-2009, 01:40 PM
  3. Kioti 3054
    By BolivarDave in forum Owning/Operating
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 10-24-2008, 11:53 AM
  4. Kioti 1914 Hard to Start When Cold
    By AltaLawnCare in forum Parts/Repairs
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 12-26-2002, 10:04 AM
  5. Kioti 3054
    By kawallace in forum Kioti Owning/Operating
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 08-03-2001, 08:22 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
© 2014 TractorByNet.com. TractorByNet is a registered trademark of IMC Digital Universe, Inc. Other trademarks on this page are the property of their respective owners.