NETXFarmers
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- Joined
- Jun 4, 2012
- Messages
- 2
- Location
- West Tawakoni, TX
- Tractor
- Kubota L3400, '59 Ford 851, '51 Ford 8N
Hello All,
I'm having a problem with my 1959 851 12v starting system. After spending quite a bit of time researching it based on what I've found so far, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around next steps. I'm relatively new to DIY tractor mechanic'ing, but I take direction well.
First, it all started about 2 months ago when it just quit starting. No turnover, no clicking, couldn't jump it from a known good battery, nothing. Was able to determine with a multimeter that the solenoid post that cables to the starter motor wasn't putting out any juice no matter what, so replaced the solenoid. Worked great for a month, then quit starting again. It would click, but starter motor wouldn't turn over. And again, couldn't jump it from a known good battery. Disconnected the starter motor wire at the starter motor, put the tractor in neutral, chocked the tires, tried putting 12v directly on the starter motor terminal, no starter motor noise, just a giant spark. Replaced the starter motor, worked great for another month, then quit starting again.
I should also note that during the troubleshooting of these other problems, I replaced pretty much all the wiring (there's not much, and a lot of it looked tired), and I had the battery tested (weak) and replaced it with a good, heavy duty Interstate battery.
Which brings us to now. I suspect my alternator is bad. I am going to have it tested just as soon as I can get the long bolt out of it that a previous owner welded in (grrr). The current suspect alternator is a Delco-Remy #1102480 61a. I can jump start the tractor from a good battery, but the voltage reading at the tractor battery doesn't move from 12v much if at all, revved or not. And if the tractor sits, the battery doesn't keep enough umph to start the tractor; the voltage goes from 12v to 10v and sits there until I put a charger on it.
If the alt ends up testing bad, O'Reilly tells me they have the replacement for $60 (minus $15 core fee back on old one), and that is the better quality one of the two replacements they sell. The other is $45 before core fee refund. Just8Ns & More tells me they can sell me the replacement for $80 + shipping. Yesterday's Tractor wants something similar price-wise to J8Ns.
I want to repair this tractor properly. It's too important to my farm operation, and I don't believe in band-aiding.
The questions I have are:
- If the alternator is shot, do I really need to go with what J8Ns or YT sells? Is there really something about their products that makes them better suited to these old tractors than what the auto parts houses sell?
- Is it normal for me to be having to replace one part, then shortly thereafter the next part down the line fails? Am I just snakebit? Did I step into an alternate dimension? I've been consulting at each step with my trusted auto mechanic and a couple of other shade tree tractor mechanics, so I don't think I'm must completely lost on this, but it does seem a bit odd.
Your thoughts, experiences, and ideas are greatly appreciated. I have been looking on the old tractor forums, but felt like I was getting too much conflicting info, and I've been unable to reach the J8Ns guy to pick his brain.
Speaking of which, would love to hear who you all like for old Ford tractor parts besides Just8Ns & More and Yesterday's Tractors. I've looked at Dennis Carpenter, and they are probably good parts, but seem to be on the high end price wise.
Respectfully,
Laurie
I'm having a problem with my 1959 851 12v starting system. After spending quite a bit of time researching it based on what I've found so far, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around next steps. I'm relatively new to DIY tractor mechanic'ing, but I take direction well.
First, it all started about 2 months ago when it just quit starting. No turnover, no clicking, couldn't jump it from a known good battery, nothing. Was able to determine with a multimeter that the solenoid post that cables to the starter motor wasn't putting out any juice no matter what, so replaced the solenoid. Worked great for a month, then quit starting again. It would click, but starter motor wouldn't turn over. And again, couldn't jump it from a known good battery. Disconnected the starter motor wire at the starter motor, put the tractor in neutral, chocked the tires, tried putting 12v directly on the starter motor terminal, no starter motor noise, just a giant spark. Replaced the starter motor, worked great for another month, then quit starting again.
I should also note that during the troubleshooting of these other problems, I replaced pretty much all the wiring (there's not much, and a lot of it looked tired), and I had the battery tested (weak) and replaced it with a good, heavy duty Interstate battery.
Which brings us to now. I suspect my alternator is bad. I am going to have it tested just as soon as I can get the long bolt out of it that a previous owner welded in (grrr). The current suspect alternator is a Delco-Remy #1102480 61a. I can jump start the tractor from a good battery, but the voltage reading at the tractor battery doesn't move from 12v much if at all, revved or not. And if the tractor sits, the battery doesn't keep enough umph to start the tractor; the voltage goes from 12v to 10v and sits there until I put a charger on it.
If the alt ends up testing bad, O'Reilly tells me they have the replacement for $60 (minus $15 core fee back on old one), and that is the better quality one of the two replacements they sell. The other is $45 before core fee refund. Just8Ns & More tells me they can sell me the replacement for $80 + shipping. Yesterday's Tractor wants something similar price-wise to J8Ns.
I want to repair this tractor properly. It's too important to my farm operation, and I don't believe in band-aiding.
The questions I have are:
- If the alternator is shot, do I really need to go with what J8Ns or YT sells? Is there really something about their products that makes them better suited to these old tractors than what the auto parts houses sell?
- Is it normal for me to be having to replace one part, then shortly thereafter the next part down the line fails? Am I just snakebit? Did I step into an alternate dimension? I've been consulting at each step with my trusted auto mechanic and a couple of other shade tree tractor mechanics, so I don't think I'm must completely lost on this, but it does seem a bit odd.
Your thoughts, experiences, and ideas are greatly appreciated. I have been looking on the old tractor forums, but felt like I was getting too much conflicting info, and I've been unable to reach the J8Ns guy to pick his brain.
Speaking of which, would love to hear who you all like for old Ford tractor parts besides Just8Ns & More and Yesterday's Tractors. I've looked at Dennis Carpenter, and they are probably good parts, but seem to be on the high end price wise.
Respectfully,
Laurie