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Hi Dave,
I never say not to deep fried catfish /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif When ever I do go south I make sure I get my fill /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif My parents used to live in Fla, broke my heart when they moved back to the northeast /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

scotty
 
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Popular dish here...if you are ever around LaPlace (about 20 miles from New Orleans), there is a restaurant in the small fishing town of Manchac called Middendorfs. There catfish, thick or thin, is awesome. You WILL wait 30 minutes for a table! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Deerefan,

I'm looking forward to the pics.

Since you did so much work on your pond and we're in similar climates, let me pick your brain a little.

Would you stock the same fish if you did it again?

What type of cover, or structure works best?

What do you use to test the water before fertelizing?

How do you spread it?

Thanks
Eddie
 
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Yea, I would probably restock the same...maybe a few more bass for the fun they provide fishing. When you ask about cover or structure, do you mean pier?
I test the water using a rope w/ an old bleach bottle w/ the top off. I let it fill up and go about 2 feet down. It should not be visible at that depth. That means the Ph of the pond is perfect. If you are looking for a good pond fertilizer, the local Co Op should have several choices. I pasted some excerpts below for you regarding ponds from an online source I've been using for research from Clemson University:
"Use lime in the spring and fertilizer in the fall.As in agricultural situations, liming and fertilizing fish ponds will dramatically increase the production of the system. A fertilization schedule can dramatically improve fish production in ponds by up to 300 percent, and fertilization can also decrease aquatic weed problems by shading the pond bottom, so that aquatic weeds do not have an opportunity to grow. A well-managed recreational fish pond that has a good fertilization program can sustain harvests of 125 pounds of fish per acre per year for a number of years.

Not all ponds need to be fertilized. Those ponds with muddy water, black water ponds where an object cannot be seen at a depth of 18 inches, or ponds with very low pH where liming is not possible, do not need to be fertilized. If the pond has aquatic weed growth it should not be fertilized since the fertilizer will only increase growth of the existing weeds and will not be beneficial to phytoplankton. Aquatic weed control should be initiated before fertilization is attempted. If the pond is a flow-through system where water exchange exceeds 5 percent per day by volume, you will be unable to fertilize the system properly.

If you are artificially feeding with prepared food, the excess feed and excess nutrients from the fish act as fertilizers and no fertilization program is needed. In fact, artificially feeding recreational ponds at high levels can cause excess planktonic algae blooms and potentially low dissolved oxygen and fish kills if the feed rates are not precisely adjusted. If you wish to have a clear water pond you should not fertilize, but the risk of aquatic weed growth due to sunlight penetration to the bottom is increased. Remember that a properly limed and fertilized fish pond can produce at least 300 percent improvement in fish production if properly managed. If you do not plan to fish the pond heavily you may not wish to fertilize.

Just as in terrestrial agriculture, the pH of a recreational fish pond adjusted by lime applications must be attempted before a fertilization program can be initiated. Fertilizer activity is dramatically affected by proper adjustment of water chemistry. When ponds are limed, the pond bottom or soil is limed. When a pond is fertilized, the water column is fertilized.

Before fertilizing you must adjust your pond alkalinity and water hardness to a minimum of 20 mg/l or parts per million. Since most of South Carolina has soft water, an agricultural limestone application will be needed. Typical lime applications range from 1 to 4 tons per acre. Lime applications can be determined by water samples, but can be more accurately determined from a pond mud sample analyzed through the Extension Service. Lime must be applied at a minimum of four to six weeks prior to fertilizing. If lime and fertilizer are applied simultaneously, the calcium in the lime will bind with the phosphorus and make it unavailable for use.
Fertilization of a fish pond actually increases the production of beneficial phytoplankton, microscopic free-floating algae that acts as the basis of the food chain. By increasing the phytoplankton in a pond, more food items are available for smaller fish. This increases productivity, thereby increasing the amount of harvestable fish. The harvest of a fertilized pond can be triple that of an unfertilized pond.
There are several methods of applying solid fertilizer, but in each method you are applying the fertilizer to the water. Fertilizer may be applied on a fertilizer platform suspended 18 inches to 2 feet deep in a pond. One 5-foot x 5-foot platform will serve up to 5 acres of water. Fertilizer bags can be opened and poured directly onto pieces of tin or plywood directly on the bottom 1 to 2 feet deep. Or, fertilizer bags may be opened on one side, with the unopened side in contact with the bottom. The bags are then staked in shallow water 1 to 2 feet deep. In each application method, water circulating over the fertilizer dissolves the fertilizer, but the impermeable bottom does not allow the fertilizer to bind with the pond bottom. Solid fertilizers are not broadcast over the water since the fertilizer granules are heavier than water and would bind with soil particles and not produce any beneficial effects and possibly increase aquatic weed growth.

Liquid fish pond fertilizers are heavier than water and must be mixed at a rate of 10 gallons of water to 1 gallon of fertilizer before broadcasting over the water. Pond managers should remember that liquid fertilizers react much faster than granular fertilizers.

Highly soluble powder fertilizers can be applied as liquid fertilizer by combining with water and distributing the mixture over the water.

Pond fertilization should begin in March and early April initially or when water temperatures reach 60 °F. After the initial application of fertilizer, managers should wait 10 days to two weeks before establishing whether or not another application of fertilizer is needed. Pond fertilization should continue until an object cannot be seen 18 inches under the water. Ponds should be sampled on a bi-weekly basis to determine if more fertilizer is needed throughout the spring, summer and fall. Most ponds will need to be fertilized at least three times per year. Fertilization can continue until water temperatures return to 60 °F in September or October. Fertilization during cooler months has no effect and may cause filamentous algae problems the next spring. Over-fertilization should be avoided since excess fertilization can cause reduced nighttime dissolved oxygen levels, which, in turn, can cause fish kills.

Fertilization Rates (per Application) for Various Fish Pond Fertilizers in South Carolina

Fertilizer
Application Rate Per Acre

Type
Analysis

Granular
20-20-5
40 pounds

0-46-0
4-8 pounds

0-20-0
8-16 pounds

Liquid
10-34-0
½-1 gallon

11-37-0
½-1 gallon

13-37-0
½-1 gallon

Powder
12-52-4
4-8 pounds

12-49-6
4-8 pounds

10-52-0
4-8 pounds

Time Release
10-52-0
25 pounds

14-14-14
75 pounds

Sorry it is so long winded but I am rather passionate about my fish and pond. I have not had to fertilize my pond much, the clarity is near perfect. When I did fertilize, I broadcast it with a small handheld spreader using my flatboat and oar to get around the whole pond. My pond is about 2/3 full now but usually fills up by the end of February. I'll get those pics up and send you a message when they are up. Need anything else please do not hesitate to ask.
Dave
 
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Hey! That looks like a picture taken with "Bait-cam." /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Nice bass! ...but that catfish is just a little feller. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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I try to take 'em small. The taste just goes south when they get bigger. He was only 2 years old and tasted great. I've seen the monster cat pics...hope to never tangle w/ one of those!
 
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Nice looking fish, bet they tasted better than they looked. We have a few cats in our pond as well. The wife feeds them daily in the summer and they grew to roughly 10 pounders in 6 years. We don't eat ours, everybody is welcome to fish but we practice catch and release on all but the brim. I love the look on the neighborhood kids faces when they latch on to one of them 10 pounders. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
 
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