Bridge Project (he only comes here when he wants something)

[Iron Horse]

There are 3 main types of people , One that will say something derogatory to try and bring you down below their level . One that will not say either way for maybe simillar reasons . And one that will go out of their way to say something positive and elevating , YM-135trac you are one of those , thank you .

[TomPenny]

jinman I just noticed apparently you thought the pic of the bridge with the steel on top was an example of "what to do"

i should have mentioned, this is the street brige up stream from the culvert. about 200 yards i guess.

[jinman]

Originally Posted by TomPenny

jinman I just noticed apparently you thought the pic of the bridge with the steel on top was an example of "what to do"

i should have mentioned, this is the street brige up stream from the culvert. about 200 yards i guess.

I like the street bridge, but there is no way your client could afford something like that. What I like best is the picture in your second post.
Single Culvert

I also like no culvert at all with the bottom of the creek concreted so you could do a low-water crossing. I think the chances of needing to cross the bridge when it is raining hard and the ditch is full of water are pretty slim. I believe a low-water crossing would work just fine.

[TomPenny]

Im still a little short on explaining myself . I thought it was helpful to post that street bridge pic to show what feeds this part of the creek. Water in water out.

I like the low water bridge idea. I did get a guy to come and bid on it. Im looking at 6500.00 minimum to set forms and pour concrete sides around the two culverts.

This seriously dips in to the landscape budget.

I'm going to start looking into it. any pics of a low water bridge would be appreciated. I'm going the google route for now.

txs

[EddieWalker]

I wonder how those culverts did in this last batch of storms. I received 5 1/2 inches of rain in 24 hours. That much water, and of course, some storms are even worse, can test just about any culvert. If those two that are in there are doing the job, then fixing something that's not broken isn't always the solution.

Making what you have there attractive shouldn't be too dificult, and probably allot cheaper too.

Eddie

[TomPenny]

I agree there too Eddie. One complication I do have is that one of the culverts has been lifted about a foot on the inlet side. Its clear this is because the culverts weren't set at the right angle, as someone mentioned earlier. They are at a slight angle and water crashes against the outer edge of the curve cause all kinds of problems

This setup may have lasted if it weren't for that. So the question is even if you fixed it with concrete would it not continue to pick at it. I was looking really hard at you bag solution. Do you think it would work well with two culverts.


A low water crossing is also known as a ford. Boy, try googleing that.

[TomPenny]

here is a Ford crossing a ford.

[YM-135trac]

$6500? we,ve used 18/wheeler float(no title auction find) flipped over torched-out carrier(wheels),set on top of not too long pilings.(pole cut-offs) old cuvert(dug-out old culverts) fill made nice approachs to bridge, Worked great, 5yr. never stopped up yet? debris flow through

[EddieWalker]

Yes, the bags will do the job, but you have to be sure to get them under the culverts too. Then when they are all in place and rebar is driven through them, you have to pour loose sacks in between the culverts to fill that cavity. Like everything, it's all about the small details.

If it was me, I think I'd reset the culvert, then build a form with plywood and lumber to pour a solid wall. The angle of the culvert won't matter if the entrance and exit of the culverts is protected by cement. Left unprotected, the water will just keep wearing away at the edges of the culverts until they fail. It's a time thing, and water always wins with enough time.

Another option would be to pour a brick ledge on the concrete wall and tell the client that you could come back at a later time when they have the money and put in rock vineer. With the brick ledge in place, you could do this at any time and until then, it would still look good. You might get two jobs out of one!!!

Eddie

[EddieWalker]

Originally Posted by TomPenny

I did get a guy to come and bid on it. Im looking at 6500.00 minimum to set forms and pour concrete sides around the two culverts.

I didn't notice this before.

That is crazy!!!! Max, you're looking at two yards for each side to build up a wall with a footing that goes two feet into the ground. You could rent a small excavator for a few hundred dollars and dig the trench yourself real easy in one day.

The next day, you could spend $200 for forms and have them built in a day easily. Cut and bend some rebar to make it secure for another $200 in materials.

The third day, you just have a cement truck show up and pour the cement. At four yards and $130 a yard, it's $520. That should be over the minimum for most cement companies, but even if it's a five yard minimum, your still under $700.

It's well under $2,000 in materials for a three day job. Two full days and then two half days when you take down the forms. Charge what you want for labor, but I'd bid it at $3,500 if it was a job that I was going to do.

Eddie