Burning Water

[MReeb]

Originally Posted by Wayne County Hose

he has done a ton of research on this and claims that when anyone gets real close to going to market with something, they get bought out by the auto industry or disappear.

I've heard a few stories like that as well. My grampa talked about a guy who converted his tractor to run using a mix of gas and hydrogen. The tractor was supposedly bought by one of the larger tractor manufacturers, taken to the local quarry an blown up. Not sure how many of these stories are urban legend but...

[YM-135trac]

Originally Posted by oldhippy

I know a guy that is converting his truck to all hydrogen fuel. He is building a small hydrogen generator to power it. Some one has plans to do this and he is using them. He has about a thousand in this generator. The hydrogen that is created for the first step is to "hot" to use and is run through a coil that has a pot switch to control it. If the head tempature is to hot then voltage is increased to cool the fuel. This is going to be put on a Toyota Tundra pickup. I did some machine work on the cans that cause the electrolosys and these are 5"long and about 3" in diameter. He is a electronic guy and is making a board to cause the electrolosys to take place. Wonder how long before we have a water tax on car use? big dan

Hey hippy, tax yes,but by whom? I don't make this stuff up. Google "paraguay aquifer"and see who just added that bad boy to their porfolio. Might be a nice cool place to be when the heat gets turned on? plan"B" nothing like a back-up plan.

The Paraguayan Senate voted last summer to “grant U.S. troops immunity from national and International Criminal Court (ICC) jurisdiction.”
Immediately afterwards, 500 heavily armed U.S. troops arrived with various planes, choppers and land vehicles at Mariscal Estigarribia air base, which happens to be at the northern tip of Paraguay near the Bolivian/Brazilian border. More have reportedly arrived since then. Gota "FIX-UP" the neighbor before you move in I guess?
TRUTH IS STRANGER THAN FICTION/

[SamWalton]

Originally Posted by Wayne County Hose

My computer guy is currently messing around with this. He has a system hooked to his Taurus to supplement the gasoline burning. He claims to be getting a few more miles per gallon. he has done a ton of research on this and claims that when anyone gets real close to going to market with something, they get bought out by the auto industry or disappear.

There going NO to market! Money talks and fools disappear. These devices are in operation all over the world. Your safe and only route is to build for yourself and keep it to yourself. Also design to crack on demand because the storage is very dangerous.

[SteelDust]

The problem with producing through electrolysis is that it's a net negative fuel source. It takes more power to produce it than it yields. In other words if you used 100 kilowatts of electricity to produce a certain amount of hydrogen, that hydrogen would yield something less than 100 kilowatts of energy. You'd be far more efficient taking the power used to perform the electrolysis, storing it in a battery and utilizing it in an electric motor.

[Egon]

Does all this mean the Pouge sp?? carburetor is not the way to go?

[woodlandfarms]

The guys at JPL were showing a solar paneled Hydrogen maker...

We are following fairly closely a new technology with solar panels using holography to amplify the efficency of the panels. We are planning to incorporate both into our house in LA and up north. We are also considering small wind turbine for the LA house....

Holographic Solar: New Method of Concentrating Sunlight Could Be Cheaper : TreeHugger

There was a thing on the tube last night where a town installed 4 large windmills.. While they have to pay for the purchase and the mainenance, the windmills should keep electricity prices fixed for the next 20 years....

[DIRTROAD]

I am currently building one of these little Hydrogen cells just to see how it does. Just using what I have seen on Youtube.com. My question is that "If gasoline and diesel are this expensive after only about 100 years of steady use, How long will it be before our water bills are crazy high?" Given this technology catches on.

[TomPenny]

Originally Posted by SteelDust

The problem with producing through electrolysis is that it's a net negative fuel source. It takes more power to produce it than it yields. In other words if you used 100 kilowatts of electricity to produce a certain amount of hydrogen, that hydrogen would yield something less than 100 kilowatts of energy. You'd be far more efficient taking the power used to perform the electrolysis, storing it in a battery and utilizing it in an electric motor.

Well that was my first thought and question reguarding the claim that someone drove from coast to coast on 22gals of water. If thats were true the vehicles charging system would produce the gas at a sufficient rate.

If it is in fact a net negative fuel source, again my first thought, you would not be able to generate enough electricity using on board charging system powered by the very engine being fueled.

[BobRip]

Originally Posted by TomPenny

Well that was my first thought and question reguarding the claim that someone drove from coast to coast on 22gals of water. If thats were true the vehicles charging system would produce the gas at a sufficient rate.

If it is in fact a net negative fuel source, again my first thought, you would not be able to generate enough electricity using on board charging system powered by the very engine being fueled.

It's not just the volume of electricity generated (although that too), but the more power you pull from the generator (or alternator), the more torque and power required from the engine to run the generator, and the more fuel the engine will use. Of course the generator is not 100% efficient and neither is the gasoline engine. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

[EastTexFrank]

Originally Posted by SteelDust

The problem with producing through electrolysis is that it's a net negative fuel source. It takes more power to produce it than it yields. In other words if you used 100 kilowatts of electricity to produce a certain amount of hydrogen, that hydrogen would yield something less than 100 kilowatts of energy. You'd be far more efficient taking the power used to perform the electrolysis, storing it in a battery and utilizing it in an electric motor.

And there's the rub. It's not that you can't run a car on water, it's just that it doesn't make any economic sense to do it. Why would you use diesel to produce electricity to produce hydrogen to run a vehicle when it's a lot more efficient and economic to run the diesel in the vehicle in the first place. If anyone finds a free lunch somewhere give me a call.