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    Default Questions about tractor garage

    Hi all,

    My house was built with an attached 24'x24' garage, which I turned into a family room. Now, I'd like to build a seperate 24'x24' garage for my JD2305 and implements, and use the same technique for the roof as the original attached garage had. What makes this building method so appealing is there is no centrer load bearing wall; the garage is all open space. I've included rough SketchUp jpg to hopefully show what I mean.

    The only thing I've been able to find is that it's a ridge board framed roof; but haven't been able to find anything about the 'W' type of truss underneath the ridge board? Can anybody lead me to more information about this type of roof construction with the 'W' truss? I'd like to duplicate this method and not use trusses.

    There's been a lot of discussions about pole garages and barns vs. tradional stick building/framing; but, one of the things I couldn't find(maybe just didn't use the right search words) deals with insulating the pole type structures. It seems that in order to insulate a pole structure, you have to have tradional 16" or 24" OC framing inside, in order to hold the insulation and any wall material? So why not just build a frame structure to begin with?

    If I could put up a pole type structure it would probably be easier, but then there's the issue of insulating; would I be building a frame structure anyhow?
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    Default Re: Questions about tractor garage

    If you don't need the "attic" space use trusses they will freespan what ever you want to do.
    Lay out the walls and tell the lumber yard plate dimensions and how much overhang you want and they will engineer it.

    They need more information like roof and ceeling type and insulation.

    If you want attic space you can have space made into the truss ask the lumber yard for info.


    24' with 12" of overhang is usually stock around here they would go on 24"
    centers.

    Don't forget door height measure the roll bar and see what door height and work the wall height from that. It usually takes about 12" above door for track so if you have a 8' door you need 9' minimum on wall side to work that in. You will regret having door too low and having to lower roll bar every time you put it away.


    here is a links to truss pictures
    http://www.diydoctor.org.uk/project_...russes%201.jpg

    http://www.diydoctor.org.uk/project_...russes%202.jpg

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    Default Re: Questions about tractor garage

    Addendum:

    Should have the word "metal" in front of "pole".

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    Default Re: Questions about tractor garage

    I agree with the concept of using trusses. It takes the guesswork out. Also, depending on how close to the house it will be situated, consider putting siding that matches the house. May cost more, but makes it visually more attractive.
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    Default Re: Questions about tractor garage

    Is there a reason you don't want to use trusses?

    To insulate pole buildings you use 4' wide faces rolls of insulation.

    If you are insulating the walls you should insulate the floor.

    What type of metal pole building frame ,siding?

    I had a crew from Clinton county put my pole barn (wood frame metal siding) up with concrete floor done in 3 days less door I wanted 8' door and they had to order it. I figured it would have taken me 3 months on weekends to get it done.

    It sounds like you want a
    hunched slab floor with insulation.
    stick built walls with insulation
    stick built roof with out any center support
    all can be done.

    but more wood = more money

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    Default Re: Questions about tractor garage

    Did you do that drawing yourself or find it somewhere on the internet.

    The problem with it is there is 24' for open space that is unsupported where the roof needs to be. You will have to add rafters every two or so feet, and then you have basically built a truss, only a lot more inefficentally. As asked earlier, is there any reason at all why you wouldn't want to use a pre-fabbed truss. Around here a 24' truss made for 2' centers only runs about $30-$40 last I checked. For 24' you would need 13 of them which would only be 400-500 bucks. Well spent money for the time involved and the peice of mind.

    To answer the question about conventional vs pole frame, from my experience the pole frame is a little stronger, due the the heavier lumber every 8 or 10 ft, and also a little cheaper to build because you don't have to have a footer dug and poured. As fot the insulation, instead of running 16" wide vertacally, you just buy 24" and run it horizontally along the walls. It is also a little easier to wire up as well since you dont have to drill holes every 16" through the studs.
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    Default Re: Questions about tractor garage

    I just finished a 24x36 stick built shop/storage building.
    The walls are 9' 2x6, cieling joists are 12x24, roof is 2x6 with 8/12 pitch.
    By adding 2 - 3' knee walls and 2 short walls inside I added a room that is 16x32 open storage with 4' crawl spaces on each side.
    It maybe overkill but it sure is nice.

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    Default Re: Questions about tractor garage

    Quote Originally Posted by raykos View Post
    Hi all,

    My house was built with an attached 24'x24' garage, which I turned into a family room. Now, I'd like to build a seperate 24'x24' garage for my JD2305 and implements, and use the same technique for the roof as the original attached garage had. What makes this building method so appealing is there is no centrer load bearing wall; the garage is all open space. I've included rough SketchUp jpg to hopefully show what I mean.

    The only thing I've been able to find is that it's a ridge board framed roof; but haven't been able to find anything about the 'W' type of truss underneath the ridge board? Can anybody lead me to more information about this type of roof construction with the 'W' truss? I'd like to duplicate this method and not use trusses.

    There's been a lot of discussions about pole garages and barns vs. tradional stick building/framing; but, one of the things I couldn't find(maybe just didn't use the right search words) deals with insulating the pole type structures. It seems that in order to insulate a pole structure, you have to have tradional 16" or 24" OC framing inside, in order to hold the insulation and any wall material? So why not just build a frame structure to begin with?

    If I could put up a pole type structure it would probably be easier, but then there's the issue of insulating; would I be building a frame structure anyhow?
    Foam insulate it or you could use blown.
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    Default Re: Questions about tractor garage

    The last time I bought trusses, the finished, engineered (with PE stamped plans) trusses, were less expensive than buying the lumber and building them myself. This is the way to go.

    If you want storage over the rafters, ask for an attic style truss, which will give you one long storage area in the center. A hatchway at the 1/4 and 3/4 points will allow storage of light items by using a stepladder. This is exactly the design I am using on my new detached garage.
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    Default Re: Questions about tractor garage

    As the others say, pre-made trusses are a commodity product these days & a lot cheaper than trying to make your own. And easier to get through any local building codes. The design you picture is a rather inefficient looking way to brace a roof, and so the rafters will need to be bigger than with a good truss.

    Pole buildingg makers and most lumber yards can get their hands on fiberglass insulation in 6, 8, or 9 foot wide batts that you hang against the metal wall between the poles of the pole building. Place 2x4 horizontals across the inside every 2 feet apart, and screw your interior metal onto the 2x4s. Works pretty well, cost can be a little less than framing out a building on 16 or 24 inch centers.

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