At Home In The Woods

[nhkabotab7800]

Obed,

tell him to rent some putlogs ( i just like saying that word ) :laughing:

 

[shane]

Obed,

tell him to rent some putlogs ( i just like saying that word ) :laughing:

Agreed. If the Egyptians could build the pyramids surely he (the bricklayer) can work around that porch. Goodness.... that porch isn't even worth mentioning. Some of the subs I work around find the silliest "problems".

 

[Obed]

Agreed. If the Egyptians could build the pyramids surely he (the bricklayer) can work around that porch. Goodness.... that porch isn't even worth mentioning. Some of the subs I work around find the silliest "problems".

Shane,
I think the size of the porch shown in the picture is deceptive. The porch is 16' wide and 6' deep.



I did a search for putlogs on the internet but didn't understand exactly how that kind of scaffolding would work on our house.

How would a brick mason set up his scaffolding to put brick above this porch. This area of the house is almost 3 stories high.

Thanks for the suggestions,
Obed

 

[Amiigan]

Heh, nice

 

[srs]

Just a thought, wouldn't it be easier (and better) to take the porch down, install the brick, then reattach the porch?

 

[PAGUY]

I agree w/ Stanley.

 

[Obed]

Just a thought, wouldn't it be easier (and better) to take the porch down, install the brick, then reattach the porch?

The porch has already been taken down and rebuilt once. I hesitate rebuild it again due to structural stress on the house caused by tearing out stuff and re-doing it. The first time the porch roof was built, where the porch tied into the house at the porch ends, they cut into the overlapping top plates of the basement exterior walls at the corners. They also had forgotten to account for the brick; there was no space to lay the brick between the porch roof and the wall. So the porch had to be completely taken apart and rebuilt. There is now a 6 inch gap between the wall and the porch roof for the brick. At that time, we also had them lower the porch roof a foot because we didn't like how close the top of the porch roof was to the main floor windows above the porch.

The back porch was the only significant problem we noticed with the new framer and he quickly took care of the problem. Yes, I wish the basement porch was not yet installed...

 

[srs]

The porch has already been taken down and rebuilt once. I hesitate rebuild it again due to structural stress on the house caused by tearing out stuff and re-doing it. Yes, I wish the basement porch was not yet installed...

I really question the thought of supporting the brickwork from the porch roof up. There is a lot of weight that will be resting on some type of metal brick ledge which will be attached to the house. I again repeat my opinion and suggest removing the porch (as one unit laying it down on the ground) and bring brick up from the CONCRETE brick ledge. Your carpenters can mark the areas on the house where bolts (not lag bolts) will exit the house and ledger boards can be bolted directly to the house overtop of the brick. The porch can then be tilted back up into place and bolted to the house. I think this would be very strong and tie everything together. Perhaps Eddie can chime in on this one, he is very knowledgeable regarding building homes.

 

[Pops15]

There should be a steel lintel to carry the bricks above the 1st floor (basement) windows and below 2nd (main) floor windows. That really isn't that much weight. Note the gang of windows on the 2nd floor. There will be another lintel above those windows. and yet another above the 3rd floor windows.
Even if the porch roof was removed, the weight would still be carried on steel lintels which in turn will be carried by the bricks on either side of the openings.
Lintels aren't usually fastened to the framing.
The roof being there has no effect on how the weight of the bricks is carried.

 

[Obed]

I really question the thought of supporting the brickwork from the porch roof up. There is a lot of weight that will be resting on some type of metal brick ledge which will be attached to the house. I again repeat my opinion and suggest removing the porch (as one unit laying it down on the ground) and bring brick up from the CONCRETE brick ledge. Your carpenters can mark the areas on the house where bolts (not lag bolts) will exit the house and ledger boards can be bolted directly to the house overtop of the brick. The porch can then be tilted back up into place and bolted to the house. I think this would be very strong and tie everything together. Perhaps Eddie can chime in on this one, he is very knowledgeable regarding building homes.

The brick will not be supported by the porch roof. There is a 6" gap between the porch roof and the house wall. There are some 2x's spaced 16" O.C. going through the wall sheathing that tie the porch to the house framing. The brick will laid around the 2x's and continue up the wall. The brick above the porch will be supported by brick from the footer up to the main floor windows. Above the windows, brick will be supported by a lintel that sits on brick on either side of the windows as Pops described. A picture would be helpful but I don't have a close-up of the porch framing. Pops is correct; the porch has no bearing on how the bricks are supported. We have had discussions with several different people with framing experience regarding how to tie the back porch to the house taking the brick into account.

The issue we face at this point is not about how to support the brick or tie the roof to the house through/around the brick. The issue in question is how does the brick layer set up his scaffolding so he can lay the brick above the height of the porch roof? The brick mason said he intends to set up his scaffolding on top of the porch roof; he wants the framer to beef up the porch supports so the porch roof will support the scaffolding.

Obed