telco technology rant

[Soundguy]

So here we are.. 21st century.. space flight technology is hitting 60ys old ( almost retirement age! ) and where is the telco at?

ever notice if you dial a 12 digit number (1+ac+prefix+4) and you are in an extended calling area that only requires 7 digits, that the lil recorded message comes on and tells you you don't need the 1/0 or the area code and to waste your time redialing...

If the darn computer is so smart that it knows you don't need it.. why doesn't it just 'drop' the extra and connect the darn call?!?

soundguy

[tommu56]

Back when our area code was running out of # the powers at bee overlayed 2 area codes now with cells we have three and still going to run out of numbers
I asked a TELCO rep one time why they didn't go to 4 digits in area code and 4 for the prefix and they would have enough # to last a while she said their soft ware at that time had to have a one in the middle of the area code or it would be rejected! so now we have the over laps and more confusion.


tom

[Soundguy]

yep.. just keep patching that old broke stuff telco guys.. that's why usa has the least advanced telco system of any modernized country..

soundguy

[RavensRoost]

Soundguy, I would expect the call to go through if you dialed 10-digits (Area code + prefix + 4) to a non-toll area, works here anyway. If you really did dial 1+area code + prefix + 4, then the 1 is probably what is confusing it.


BTW, check you math: 12 digit number (1+ac+prefix+4) is really 11 ;-)

RavensRoost

[Western]

That's what I get..

" It is not necessary to dial a 1 when making this call, please try your call again"

[DANOCHEESE]

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If the darn computer is so smart that it knows you don't need it.. why doesn't it just 'drop' the extra and connect the darn call?!?

soundguy[/quote]

Ahh the computer is saving you a toll charge. The transaltions are set to fail if you dial an EAS areas using a toll kick. The switch did what it was told.

If it did'nt you would receive a toll bill for the call. Translations are set to fail or complete based on set parameters of a human. No upgrade in the world will solve this issue. There is a set policy by your local carrier to fail the call.

Now if you were on my switch we would route the call and delete the toll kick. This is easy as we only have a small EAS areas. In a big areas this woudl require a very complex set of translations to look at called number and originating TN. Then start matching to IF Then statemeants.

Who told you we have bad telecom here in the USA? Just too many legacy issues and fairness doctrines to move forward. IF we make it work for soundguy then it won't work for billbob. So you can't fix it. Well tell Billy bob it is the new centruy . get with the plan. We might hurt blly Bob feelings. Ok we will keep a full blown dial-up shelf workign so billy bob can have internet.

[Soundguy]

That's my point.. if it 'KNOWS" that it is saving you the toll call.. then it should be possible to drop the extra digit and complete the call with no toll.

As for who told me.. no one had to.. you point out the main issue.. legacy problems.

many other modernized country developed their good telco systems way after ours.. and had better technology to build up on.. we are stuck with some areas that can't even get good dialup service past 9600bps due to old twisted copper.

where I live, the community was put in and wired in the 70's.. it wasn't until 2ys ago that they ripped all the junk up and put in new service so we could come intot he modern age and get 1.5meg dsl.

It's an aging patchwork network... and I assure you, if it was rpiied out and started anew.. it would benefit billy-bob JUST AS MUCH as soundguy.

And i expected a 'no it's working perfectly' answer from a telco guy. No companies ever willingly own up to their own major shortcomings...

wanna see good telcom setups.. look at japan....

soundguy

Originally Posted by DANOCHEESE

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If the darn computer is so smart that it knows you don't need it.. why doesn't it just 'drop' the extra and connect the darn call?!?

soundguy

Ahh the computer is saving you a toll charge. The transaltions are set to fail if you dial an EAS areas using a toll kick. The switch did what it was told.

If it did'nt you would receive a toll bill for the call. Translations are set to fail or complete based on set parameters of a human. No upgrade in the world will solve this issue. There is a set policy by your local carrier to fail the call.

Now if you were on my switch we would route the call and delete the toll kick. This is easy as we only have a small EAS areas. In a big areas this woudl require a very complex set of translations to look at called number and originating TN. Then start matching to IF Then statemeants.

Who told you we have bad telecom here in the USA? Just too many legacy issues and fairness doctrines to move forward. IF we make it work for soundguy then it won't work for billbob. So you can't fix it. Well tell Billy bob it is the new centruy . get with the plan. We might hurt blly Bob feelings. Ok we will keep a full blown dial-up shelf workign so billy bob can have internet.[/quote]

[Soundguy]

Originally Posted by RavensRoost

BTW, check you math: 12 digit number (1+ac+prefix+4) is really 11 ;-)

RavensRoost

Maths working fine.. it's the darn micro laptop keyboard that is the problem!

soundguy

[buckeyefarmer]

A Telco Rant, I'm in !!!

It depends on how theTelco builds their routing tables for the switch. most modern switches could be programmed to avoid this annoyance, older switches couldn't.

on my cell phone I don't need to dial 1 for "long distance" because all US numbers are "local". on my landline, I live in an area where you have to dial area code for local numbers, and if you don't dial 1 for a long distance number, you get the famous recording. With the demise of landlines, they should remove the whole long distance thing, and make all calls within the country a "local" call. It's long distance for me to call my kids school just down the road, but I can call 20 miles past it as a local call, makes no sense.

[dave1949]

Originally Posted by buckeyefarmer

A Telco Rant, I'm in !!!
It's long distance for me to call my kids school just down the road, but I can call 20 miles past it as a local call, makes no sense.

It's never made any sense. Always these arbitrary long distance boundaries, usually having nothing to do with where people work or shop. Where my Mom lives in Ohio, you have to dial as you described. In Maine the state legeslature passed a law requiring all calls in-state be dialed with only seven digits. We only have one area code; 207. Somehow, with the pressure put on them, the telco is able to satisfy that law.

Dave.