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    Quote Originally Posted by RaydaKub View Post
    ALL scientists? As in Al's determination that "the debate is over"? I guess you've never heard of the petitition project.

    Global Warming Petition Project

    I would hardly say "all"....
    You misquoted the statement. It states "nearly all scientists, and all major scientific bodies"

    I have heard of the petition project
    Kevin Grandia | Infamous Oregon Global Warming Petition Alive and Well

    Reposter – Saw it on reposter The petition project has been thoroughly debunked. Climate skeptics, get over it!

    .1% of Signers Have a Background in Climatology

    The Petition Project website offers a breakdown of the areas of expertise of those who have signed the petition.

    So only .1% of the individuals on the list of 30,000 signatures have a scientific background in Climatology. To be fair, we can add in those who claim to have a background in Atmospheric Science, which brings the total percentage of signatories with a background in climate change science to a whopping .5%
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    So 1/10th of a percent of the 30,000 are educated in the field and 1/2 of a percent are somewhat educated in the field. So with that totals 30 to 150 signatores who are qualified....I suggest that there are more scientists than that working for the fossil fuel industry.
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    Common Anti Global Warming Climate Change Denial Claims Arguments and Myths | EcoSalon | Conscious Culture and Fashion

    The 31,000-strong "Petition Project" is proof that there's no scientific consensus on climate change! Except that it's not. An investigation by the Seattle Times into the "scientists" who signed the petition found that dozens of names were made up including "Perry S. Mason", "Michael J. Fox", "John C. Grisham" and Spice Girl "Geri Halliwell"?

    Only 0.1% of the Petition Project signers have a background in climatology. An unrelated survey found that 97.5% of actual climatologists who actively publish research on climate change believe that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.

    26 scientific organizations and the Academy of Sciences from 19 different countries all support the consensus, and a survey of all peer-reviewed abstracts on the subject of global climate change published between 1993 and 2003 found that not a single paper rejected the consensus position.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren49 View Post
    You misquoted the statement. It states "nearly all scientists, and all major scientific bodies"

    I have heard of the petition project
    Kevin Grandia | Infamous Oregon Global Warming Petition Alive and Well

    Reposter Saw it on reposter The petition project has been thoroughly debunked. Climate skeptics, get over it!

    .1% of Signers Have a Background in Climatology

    The Petition Project website offers a breakdown of the areas of expertise of those who have signed the petition.

    So only .1% of the individuals on the list of 30,000 signatures have a scientific background in Climatology. To be fair, we can add in those who claim to have a background in Atmospheric Science, which brings the total percentage of signatories with a background in climate change science to a whopping .5%
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    So 1/10th of a percent of the 30,000 are educated in the field and 1/2 of a percent are somewhat educated in the field. So with that totals 30 to 150 signatores who are qualified....I suggest that there are more scientists than that working for the fossil fuel industry.
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    Common Anti Global Warming Climate Change Denial Claims Arguments and Myths | EcoSalon | Conscious Culture and Fashion

    The 31,000-strong "Petition Project" is proof that there's no scientific consensus on climate change! Except that it's not. An investigation by the Seattle Times into the "scientists" who signed the petition found that dozens of names were made up including "Perry S. Mason", "Michael J. Fox", "John C. Grisham" and Spice Girl "Geri Halliwell"?

    Only 0.1% of the Petition Project signers have a background in climatology. An unrelated survey found that 97.5% of actual climatologists who actively publish research on climate change believe that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.

    26 scientific organizations and the Academy of Sciences from 19 different countries all support the consensus, and a survey of all peer-reviewed abstracts on the subject of global climate change published between 1993 and 2003 found that not a single paper rejected the consensus position.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mostly_gas View Post
    You have had your say, but have presented a convincing argument.
    Let say we look for OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE of man made climate change.
    Is climate static outside man's influence?
    We don't know, the only way to know what man's influence is on the environment is to remove him from the equation which is not possible.

    That is: Is the planet warming and because of man it is warming faster;
    Is the planet cooling but because of man not cooling as fast as it would without man.
    etc., etc.

    Blow up an atomic bomb, does the planet's temperature change? Sure, but how much? What's the entropic result?

    What can we do? Address the things that are destroying the planet which happen to be the same things we believe are causing CC.

    Very objective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob-D View Post
    We don't know, the only way to know what man's influence is on the environment is to remove him from the equation which is not possible.

    That is: Is the planet warming and because of man it is warming faster;
    Is the planet cooling but because of man not cooling as fast as it would without man.
    etc., etc.

    Blow up an atomic bomb, does the planet's temperature change? Sure, but how much? What's the entropic result?

    What can we do? Address the things that are destroying the planet which happen to be the same things we believe are causing CC.

    Very objective.

    Rob
    Did you know over 2000 above ground atomic bomb tests have been conducted. Nothing happened. We are all still here. Did you know that one guy survived ground zero at Hiroshima and is alive today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob-D View Post
    We don't know, the only way to know what man's influence is on the environment is to remove him from the equation which is not possible.
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    It's possible and some factions are probably trying to do it, but I don't see it as an optimal solution for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by houstonscott View Post
    Did you know over 2000 above ground atomic bomb tests have been conducted. Nothing happened. We are all still here. Did you know that one guy survived ground zero at Hiroshima and is alive today.

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    Did you know we have contaminated milk in Washington state from Japan.


    Let Them Drink Milk December 1997

    Nothing happened?

    By: Pat Ortmeyer and Arjun Makhijani
    Article published as ň▒•orse Than We Knew, for November/December 1997 issue of The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

    "On August 1, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) revealed that as a result of U.S. nuclear tests conducted at the Nevada Test Site (NTS), American children were actually exposed to 15 to 70 times as much radiation as had been previously reported to Congress. As a result, many thousands of todayš—┤ adults are at risk of developing thyroid cancer.

    The information comes from fragments of a congressionally mandated study, 14 years in the making. The NCI report details estimated radiation doses to the thyroid gland due to releases of radioactive iodine 131. Most of the releases occurred from 1951 to 1958.
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    Recovery of dead hampered by radiation near Fukushima nuclear plant; contaminated milk in Washington



    BY LUKAS I. ALPERT

    DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

    Thursday, March 31, 2011


    Pressure for Japan to widen the evacuation zone around a crippled nuclear plant grew Thursday as officials struggled to recover radiation-tainted bodies.

    Police officers clad in white moon suits and carrying Geiger counters have slowly made their way through a 12-mile exclusion zone around the leaking reactors.

    On Wednesday, 19 bodies were found in the area, but it is believed there could be hundreds more tsunami victims yet to be found.

    "We find bodies everywhere - in cars, in rivers, under debris and in streets," said a police official in the hard-hit area around the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant.


    Are you kidding?

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    Ya you can come up with your own definition, I prefer the merriam-webster definition.
    NOT the ever changing Liberal Definition. Yes it does say COMMUNISM, NO it does not say " based on you skewed definition...."Socialism doctrine said that the rewards will be distributed based on persons contribution not equally"

    Definition of SOCIALISM
    1
    : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
    2
    a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
    3
    : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

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    Quote Originally Posted by houstonscott View Post
    Who are these people?

    Let's see, Hey it's Rush! Andrew Walden, he's the guy spreading rumors that Obama is muslim.

    Wind Power Information, Wind Power Facts - National Geographic

    "Industry experts predict that if this pace of growth continues, by 2050 the answer to one third of the world's electricity needs will be found blowing in the wind."

    Wind energy facts - Interesting energy facts

    Wind energy facts
    Wind energy is a renewable energy source.

    Wind energy is a pollution-free energy source.

    Wind energy is very abundant energy source in many parts of the USA.

    Wind energy is mostly used to generate electricity.

    Wind energy is mostly used renewable energy source.

    Wind energy unlike some thought very economically competitive.

    Wind energy is one of the lowest-priced renewable energy sources.

    Wind energy is the fastest growing segment of all renewable energy sources.

    Wind energy is very exploited in Germany where Germany leads the way with 8750 MW of electrical energy produced from wind energy.

    Wind energy is more exploited in Europe than in America, because of favorable climate conditions and because of USA traditional relying on fossil fuels.

    Wind energy basically transformed form of the Sun's energy.

    Wind energy has no fuel expenditures.

    http://www.awea.org/learnabout/publi...erBrochure.pdf

    "Did you know that already, 20 percent of Iowa's
    electricity comes from wind power? In 2009 alone,
    the U.S. wind industry installed enough new
    capacity to power nearly 3 million homes."


    You posted a good source, right next to an article about a spice that cures diabetes!

    It's someone's opinion, where's the data showing 14,000 abandoned wind mills. Where's the proof of that?
    Rush said it, it must be true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by houstonscott View Post
    And in our country price and reliability (the free market) are the pressures, technologies have to stand on their own before American's will buy, government and elitist should never be the pressure.

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    Senate Republicans reject Obama call to end 'big oil' tax breaks - CNN.com

    Senate Republicans reject Obama call to end 'big oil' tax breaks

    "With record profits and rising production, I'm not worried about the big oil companies," Obama said in the White House Rose Garden. "... I think it's time they got by without more help from taxpayers, who are having a tough enough time paying their bills and filling up their tanks."

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander!

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    Senate Republicans reject Obama call to end 'big oil' tax breaks - CNN.com

    Senate Republicans reject Obama call to end 'big oil' tax breaks

    "With record profits and rising production, I'm not worried about the big oil companies," Obama said in the White House Rose Garden. "... I think it's time they got by without more help from taxpayers, who are having a tough enough time paying their bills and filling up their tanks."

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander!

    Rob
    Rob

    I wish the people would elect people who would shut down the dept. of energy,EPA, and commerce and get out of our lives.

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