Has anyone observed any beneficial outcome from the discussions here over the long life of this thread? If yes, then please point them out to the rest of us less observant ones.
If anyone has made a significant change in their beliefs/position on the issues due to this thread, please share that.
Pat
People who believe we need changes in our energy situation should start making those changes themselves.
I don't care to tell any of you what your reasons should be to change. I would like change and diversity. Those of you who fancy yourselves as understanding things, and who have means, it is not your words and belittlement that is needed so much as it is your example of change.
I can do better to "screw the Arabs." Now that's kind of a nasty expression...but it was chosen deliberately to test you all. In a diverse country, do people have to do what is right for EXACTLY the reason you say? How many of you are big enough to just let me do the right thing for the wrong reason and keep your mouth shut about the actual international oil trade, the markets, import/export patterns, fungibility of oil, refinery types and oil types. Could it be that much of it really is politics, and most are absolutely LOUSY politicians placing their own egos well above the goals they claim to desperately want?
I've learned that AGW debate has ruined its own usefulness as a motivator for change beyond all else. The folks who believe it are not acting on their own behalf sufficiently in my view, and seem to want to just control their detractors better politically. The detractors, they are more hardened against AGW and its theory advocates than ever before. I am not more hardened about the theory personally, but I am just as suspicious about the rank and file supporter of the theory as I ever was. This is America: Do it, don't wait on me, and I won't wait on you, and lets keep Climatologists like Pelosi and Boehner out of it.