Global Warming?

[toppop52]

Isn't this the First Amendment Randy?

Congress shall not allow any reference to or discussion of religion in the public square, and shall prohibit the free exercise thereof if the religion teaches something we disagree with; and abridge freedom of speech, and of the press, if we disagree with the speech and deem it to be 塗ate speech; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances unless we agree with the petitioners.

Dennis, functionally today, yes, unfortunately.

 

[Gator6x4]

Try to get some common sense! Or at least some basic understanding and reading comprehension skills. I'm not saying the government should place anything in particular, anywhere. My point is, a writing by Christians, Buddhists or Muslims , in a public place is no different than a quote by JFK, Abraham Lincoln or Chevy Chase. People read them, if they believe them good for them, if they don't they move on. You are not protecting anyone by preventing these, you are restricting the rights of many.

A partial listing of religious beliefs. Which ones do we post?

Abrahamic religions

Main article: Abrahamic religions

A group of monotheistic traditions sometimes grouped with one another for comparative purposes, because all refer to a patriarch named Abraham.

Babism

Main article: B畸ism
Azali

Bah? Faith

Main article: Bah? Faith

Christianity

Main article: Christianity

See also: List of Christian denominations
Catholicism
Main article: Catholic Church
Protestantism
Main article: Protestantism
Eastern Orthodoxy
Main article: Eastern Orthodox Church
Other Eastern Churches Oriental Orthodox Church
Assyrian Church of the East

Other groups
Bible Student movement
Christian Universalism
Latter Day Saint movement
Nontrinitarianism
Swedenborgianism
Unitarianism

Druze

Main article: Druze

Gnosticism

Main article: Gnosticism

See also: List of Gnostic sects
Christian Gnosticism Ebionites
Cerdonians Marcionism (not entirely Gnostic)

Colorbasians
Simonians
Early Gnosticism Borborites
Cainites
Carpocratians
Ophites
Hermeticism
Medieval Gnosticism Cathars
Bogomils
Paulicianism
Tondrakians
Persian Gnosticism Mandaeanism
Manichaeism Bagnolians

Syrian-Egyptic Gnosticism
Main article: Syrian-Egyptic Gnosticism
Sethians Basilidians
Valentinians Bardesanites



Islam

Main article: Islam

See also: Islamic schools and branches
Kalam Schools
Main article: Kalam
Ash'ari
Kalam
Maturidi
Murji'ah
Mu'tazili
Kharijite
Main article: Kharijite
Ibadi (Only surviving sect)
Azraqi
Haruriyya
Sufri
Shia Islam
Main article: Shia Islam
Ismailism Mustaali / Bohra
Nizari

Jafari Twelvers Akhbari
Shaykhi
Usuli

Alawites
Alevi / Bektashi

Zaidiyyah
Sufism
Main article: Sufism
Bektashi
Chishti
Mevlevi
Mujaddediyah
Naqshbandi Jahriyya
Khufiyya

Nimatullahi
Tariqah
Quadiriyyah
Sufi Order International
Sufism Reoriented
Suhrawardiyya
Tijani
Universal Sufism Dances of Universal Peace

Sunni Islam
Main article: Sunni Islam
Hanafi Barelvi
Deobandi
Gedimu
Yihewani
Xidaotang

Hanbali
Maliki
Shafi'i
Other Islamic Groups Ahl-e Hadith or Salafi
Ahl-e Haqq or Yarsan
Ahl-e Quran
Ahmadiyya Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement

Al-Fatiha Foundation
Canadian Muslim Union
European Islam
Five Percenters
Ittifaq al-Muslimin
Jamaat al-Muslimeen
Jadid
Liberal Muslims
Muslim Canadian Congress
Moorish Science Temple of America
Mahdavia
Gohar Shahi Messiah Foundation International
International_Spiritual_Movement_Anjuman_Serfaroshan-e-Islam

Nation of Islam
Progressive British Muslims
Progressive Muslim Union
Qur'an Alone
Tolu-e-Islam
United Submitters International
Wahabi
Zikri

Judaism

Main article: Judaism

See also: Jewish Denominations
Rabbinic Judaism
Main article: Rabbinic Judaism
Orthodox Judaism Haredi Judaism
Hasidic Judaism
Modern Orthodox Judaism

Conservative Judaism Masorti
Conservadox Judaism Union for Traditional Judaism


Reform Judaism
Progressive Judaism Liberal Judaism

Karaite Judaism
Main article: Karaite Judaism
Falasha or Beta Israel Modern Non-Rabbinic Judaism Alternative Judaism
Humanistic Judaism (not always identified as a religion)
Jewish Renewal
Reconstructionist Judaism
Historical groups Essenes
Pharisees (ancestor of Rabbinic Judaism)
Sadducees (possible ancestor of Karaite Judaism)
Zealots Sicarii

Sects that believed Jesus was a prophet Ebionites
Elkasites
Nazarenes

Sabbateans Frankists


Rastafari movement

Main article: Rastafari movement

Mandaeans and Sabians

Main articles: Mandaeism and Sabians
Mandaeism
Sabians Sabians of Harran
Mandaean Nasaraean Sabeans


Samaritanism

Main article: Samaritanism

Shabakism

Main article: Shabak people

Indian religions

Main article: Indian religions

Religions that originated in India and religions and traditions related to, and descended from, them.

Ayyavazhi

Main article: Ayyavazhi

Bhakti movement

Main article: Bhakti movement
Kabir Panth
Sant Mat
Ravidassia Religion

Buddhism

Main article: Schools of Buddhism
Nikaya schools (which have historically been called Hinayana in the West) Theravada Sri Lankan Amarapura Nikaya
Sri Lankan Siam Nikaya
Sri Lankan Rama?a Nikaya
Bangladeshi Sangharaj Nikaya
Bangladeshi Mahasthabir Nikaya
Burmese Thudhamma Nikaya Vipassana tradition of Mahasi Sayadaw and disciples

Burmese Shwekyin Nikaya
Burmese Dvaya Nikaya
Thai Maha Nikaya Dhammakaya Movement

Thai Thammayut Nikaya Thai Forest Tradition Tradition of Ajahn Chah




Mahayana Humanistic Buddhism
Madhyamaka Prāsangika
Svatantrika
Sanlun (Three Treatise school) Sanron

Maha-Madhyamaka (Jonangpa)

Nichiren Nichiren Shū
Nichiren Shōshū
Nipponzan Myōhōji
Soka Gakkai

Pure Land Jodo Shu
Jodo Shinshu

Tathagatagarbha Daśabhūmikā (absorbed into Huayan)
Huayan school (Avataṃsaka) Hwaeom
Kegon


Tiantai Tendai
Cheontae

Yogācāra Cittamatra in Tibet
Wei-Shi (Consciousness-only school) or Faxiang (Dharma-character school) Beopsang
Hossō


Chan / Zen / Seon / Thien Caodong Sōtō Keizan line
Jakuen line
Giin line


Linji Rinzai
Ōbaku
Fuke Zen
Won Buddhism: Korean Reformed Buddhism

Kwan Um School of Zen
Sanbo Kyodan


Vajrayana Shingon Buddhism
Tibetan Buddhism B?
Gelukpa
Kagyupa Dagpo Kagyu Karma Kagyu
Barom Kagyu
Drukpa Kagyu

Shangpa Kagyu

Nyingmapa
Sakyapa Jonangpa



New Buddhist movements Aum Shinrikyo (now known as Aleph)[5]
Diamond Way
Friends of the Western Buddhist Order
New Kadampa Tradition[6]
Share International
True Buddha School
Vipassana movement
The Osho or Rajneesh movement


Din-i-Ilahi
Din-i-Ilahi

Hinduism

See also: Hindu denominations
Swaminarayan
Shrauta
Lingayatism
Shaivism
Shaktism
Tantrism Ananda Marga[7]

Smartism
Vaishnavism Gaudiya Vaishnavism ISKCON (Hare Krishna)[8]


Hindu reform movements Arya Samaj[9]
Brahmo Samaj
Ramakrishna Mission
Satya Dharma
Satsang of Thakur Anukulchandra
Matua Mahasangha

Hinduism in Indonesia
Major schools and movements of Hindu philosophy
Main article: Hindu philosophy
Nyaya
Purva mimamsa
Samkhya
Vaisheshika
Vedanta (Uttara Mimamsa) Advaita Vedanta
Integral Yoga
Vishishtadvaita
Dvaita Vedanta

Yoga Ashtanga Yoga
Bhakti Yoga
Raja yoga
Karma yoga
Jnana yoga
Kundalini yoga
Hatha yoga
Siddha Yoga
Surat Shabd Yoga
Tantric Yoga
Sahaja Yoga


Jainism

Main article: Jainism
Digambara Bisapanthi[10]
Digambar Terapanth
Taran Panth
Kanji Panth[10]

Shvetambara Svetambar Terapanth
Murtipujaka or Deravasi
Sthanakvasi


Meivazhi
Meivazhi

Sikhism

Main article: Sikhism
Khalsa Nihang

Amritdhari original and real Sikhs
Namdhari or Kuka Sikhs
Sahajdhari Sikh
Ravidasi

Iranian religions

Main article: Iranian religions
B畸ism
Bah? Faith
Mandaeism

Manichaeism
Manichaeism

Mazdakism
Mazdakism

Mithraism
Mithraism

Yazdç©—ism

Main article: Yazdç©—ism
Alevi
Yarsani
Yazidi

Zoroastrianism

Main article: Zoroastrianism
Zurvanism

East Asian religions

Main article: East Asian religions

Confucianism

Main article: Confucianism
Neo-Confucianism
New Confucianism

Shinto

Main articles: Shinto and Shinto sects and schools

Taoism

Main article: Taoism

Other
Caodaism
Chinese folk religion
Chondogyo
Falun Gong
Hoa Hao
I-Kuan Tao
Jeung San Do
Mohism
Oomoto
Seicho-No-Ie
Tenrikyo

African diasporic religions

See also: African diasporic religions

African diasporic religions are a number of related religions that developed in the Americas among African slaves and their descendants in various countries of the Caribbean Islands and Latin America, as well as parts of the southern United States. They derive from African traditional religions, especially of West and Central Africa, showing similarities to the Yoruba religion in particular.
Batuque
Candombl
Dahomey mythology
Haitian mythology
Kumina
Macumba
Mami Wata
Obeah
Oyotunji
Quimbanda
Santer? (Lukumi)
Umbanda[11]
Vodou

Indigenous traditional religions

See also: Paganism and Folk religion

Traditionally, these faiths have all been classified "Pagan", but scholars prefer the terms "indigenous/primal/folk/ethnic religions".

African

Main article: African traditional religions
West Africa Akan mythology
Ashanti mythology (Ghana)
Dahomey (Fon) mythology
Efik mythology (Nigeria, Cameroon)
Igbo mythology (Nigeria, Cameroon)
Isoko mythology (Nigeria)
Yoruba mythology (Nigeria, Benin)
Central Africa Bushongo mythology (Congo)
Bambuti (Pygmy) mythology (Congo)
Lugbara mythology (Congo)
East Africa Akamba mythology (East Kenya)
Dinka mythology (Sudan)
Lotuko mythology (Sudan)
Masai mythology (Kenya, Tanzania)
Southern Africa Khoisan religion
Lozi mythology (Zambia)
Tumbuka mythology (Malawi)
Zulu mythology (South Africa)

American

Main article: Native American mythology
Abenaki mythology
Anishinaabe
Aztec mythology
Blackfoot mythology
Cherokee mythology
Chickasaw mythology
Choctaw mythology
Creek mythology
Crow mythology
Ghost Dance
Guarani mythology
Haida mythology
Ho-Chunk mythology (aka: Winnebago)
Hopi mythology
Inca mythology
Indian Shaker Church
Inuit mythology
Iroquois mythology
Keetoowah Nighthawk Society
Kuksu
Kwakiutl mythology
Lakota mythology
Leni Lenape mythology
Longhouse religion
Mapuche mythology
Maya mythology
Midewiwin
Miwok
Native American Church
Navajo mythology
Nootka mythology
Ohlone mythology
Olmec mythology
Pomo mythology
Pawnee mythology
Salish mythology
Selk'nam religion
Seneca mythology
Southeastern Ceremonial Complex
Sun Dance
Tsimshian mythology
Urarina
Ute mythology
Wyandot religion
Zuni mythology

Eurasian

Main article: Eurasian Indigenous Religions
Asian Bon
Chinese mythology
Japanese mythology
Korean shamanism
Koshintō
Siberian Shamanism
Tengrism
European Asatru
Estonian mythology
Eskimo religion
Finnish mythology and Finnish paganism
Marla faith
Odinism
Hungarian folk religion
Sami religion (including the Noaidi)
Tadibya
Wotanism

Oceania/Pacific
Australian Aboriginal mythology
Austronesian beliefs Balinese mythology
Javanese beliefs
Melanesian mythology
Micronesian mythology Modekngei
Nauruan indigenous religion

Philippine mythology Anito
Gab
Kulam

Polynesian mythology Hawaiian mythology
Maori mythology Maori religion

Rapa Nui mythology Moai
Tangata manu




Cargo cults

Main article: Cargo cults
John Frum
Johnson cult
Prince Philip Movement
Vailala Madness

Historical polytheism

Further information: Prehistoric religion and History of religion

Ancient Near Eastern

Main article: Ancient Near Eastern religions
Ancient Egyptian religion
Ancient Semitic religions
Mesopotamian mythology Arabian mythology (pre-Islamic)
Babylonian and Assyrian religion Babylonian mythology
Chaldean mythology

Canaanite mythology Canaanite religion

Hittite mythology
Persian mythology
Sumerian mythology


Indo-European

Main article: Proto-Indo-European religion
Proto-Indo-Iranian religion Historical Vedic religion
Persian mythology

Baltic polytheism
Celtic polytheism Brythonic mythology
Gaelic mythology

Germanic polytheism Anglo-Saxon religion
Continental Germanic religion
Norse religion

Greek polytheism
Finnish polytheism
Hungarian polytheism
Roman polytheism
Slavic polytheism

Hellenistic

Main article: Hellenistic religion
Mystery religions Eleusinian Mysteries
Mithraism
Orphism

Pythagoreanism
Gallo-Roman religion

Mysticism and Occult

Esotericism and mysticism

Main articles: Esotericism and Mysticism
Anthroposophy
Christian mysticism
Esoteric Christianity
Hindu mysticism Tantra
Vaastu Shastra

Martinism
Meher Baba[12]
Melanin Spirituality
Rosicrucian Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis[13]
Rosicrucian Fellowship

Sufism
Theosophy

Occult and magic

Main articles: Occultism, Magic (paranormal), and Magick
Ceremonial magic Enochian magic
Goetic magic

Chaos magic
Hoodoo (Rootwork) New Orleans Voodoo

Kulam Filipino witchcraft
National Socialism and Occultism
Pow-wow
Sei? Norse sorcery
Thelema
Wicca
Witchcraft

Neopaganism

Main article: List of Neopagan movements

Main article: Paganism (contemporary)

Syncretic
Adonism
Church of All Worlds
Church of Aphrodite
Feraferia
Neo-Druidism Reformed Druids of North America

Neoshamanism
Neo-v?kisch movements
Technopaganism
Unitarian Universalist

Ethnic
Baltic Neopaganism
Celtic Neopaganism
Finnish Neopaganism
Germanic Neopaganism
Hellenic Neopaganism
Kemetism
Roman Neopaganism
Semitic Neopaganism
Slavic Neopaganism
Taaraism

New religious movements

Main article: List of new religious movements

Creativity
Creativity (religion)

New Thought

Main article: New Thought
Christian Science
Divine Science
Religious Science
Unity Church
Jewish Science
Seicho-no-Ie

Shinshukyo

Main article: Shinshūkyō
Church of World Messianity
Konkokyo
Oomoto
PL Kyodan
Seicho-No-Ie
Tenrikyo

Left-hand path religions

Main article: Left-hand path and right-hand path
Satanism LaVeyan Satanism
Theistic Satanism

Demonolatry
Luciferianism
Setianism

Fictional religions

Main article: List of fictional religions

Parody or mock religions
Church of Euthanasia
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Church of the SubGenius
Dudeism
Iglesia Maradoniana
Invisible Pink Unicorn
Kibology
Landover Baptist Church
Last Thursdayism
Butter Boy (comic strip)

Others
Black Hebrew Israelites
Cult of the Supreme Being
Deism
Discordianism
Eckankar
Ethical Culture
Fourth Way
Pastafarianism/ Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Humanism
Jediism[14]
Juche
Meher Baba
Native American Church
Naturalistic Pantheism
Nuwaubian Nation
Ra?ism
Scientology
Secular Humanism
Subud
Unitarian Universalism
Universal Life Church

Other categorisations

By demographics

Main article: Religious demographics
List of religious populations

By area

Further information: Religion geography
Religion in Africa
Religion in Asia
Religion in Australia
Religion in Europe
Religion in North America
Oceania / Pacific
Religion in South America
Religion by country List of state-established religions
Buddhism by country
Christianity by country Roman Catholicism by country
Protestantism by country

Hinduism by country
Islam by country
Judaism by country, Jewish population
Sikhism by country


See also
Civil religion
List of Catholic rites and churches
List of religious organizations
Lists of people by belief
Mythology
Shamanism
Totemism
Western esotericism

References

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14.^ Church of Jediism

 

[toppop52]

That has zero bearing on the point that they are not specifically mutually excluded by the Constitution, I don't care if there a million religions. Typical liberal argument, paste 'em with numbers and gobbely gook and hope they get lost or overwhelmed. But we're not all as dumb as Philly voters.

 

[tcreeley]

Religion is not excluded, but no functionary arm of government can in any way choose one religion over another, or put people in a position where they have no choice but to be exposed to the religious doctrine. - example is school prayer.

 

[Gator6x4]

That has zero bearing on the point that they are not specifically mutually excluded by the Constitution, I don't care if there a million religions. Typical liberal argument, paste 'em with numbers and gobbely gook and hope they get lost or overwhelmed. But we're not all as dumb as Philly voters.

Not really. The posting was to illustrate that we as a nation have a very large number of different and diverse religious beliefs among the population in the United States. Choosing and selecting religious dogma from one of the many religions for public postings and utterances and excluding the others would not be correct or proper.

The diverse religious makeup has served us as a nation well and provided comfort and support to the populace during some very trying times.

All religious beliefs should be respected and treated equally. The religious beliefs of one of the great many beliefs should not take precedence and truncate the beliefs of other.

We are very fortunate to live in a country which gives us the freedom to choose our religious beliefs and provides safeguards to insure one religious belief does not take precedence over another.

 

[toppop52]

Not really. The posting was to illustrate that we as a nation have a very large number of different and diverse religious beliefs among the population in the United States. Choosing and selecting religious dogma from one of the many religions for public postings and utterances and excluding the others would not be correct or proper.

The diverse religious makeup has served us as a nation well and provided comfort and support to the populace during some very trying times.

All religious beliefs should be respected and treated equally. The religious beliefs of one of the great many beliefs should not take precedence and truncate the beliefs of other.

We are very fortunate to live in a country which gives us the freedom to choose our religious beliefs and provides safeguards to insure one religious belief does not take precedence over another.

Or be singled out to be repressed.

 

[Mace Canute]

Religion should be treated like sex...all aspects of it best practiced in private.

More On Topic, just seen this article. From Blame Canada for ancient and massive 1,300-year

Please make note of the sentence I have boldfaced in the last paragraph.

Blame Canada for ancient and massive 1,300-year 'Big Freeze'
By Scott Sutherland | Geekquinox Wed, 7 Nov, 2012

About 13,000 years ago, the Earth was plunged into what is called the 'Big Freeze' or more formally known as the 'Younger Dryas stadial' where the planet's climate cooled significantly, ushering in a new glacial period that lasted for about 1,300 years.

It has been well-established that the Big Freeze was caused when a lake of melt-water sitting on the Laurentide Ice Sheet a 2-3 km thick sheet of ice that covered most of the land-mass of what is now Canada and parts of the U.S. Midwest broke through an ice-dam and rushed into the north Atlantic. This massive influx of frigid fresh water into the ocean disrupted the global circulation of heat and salt-content in the oceans, and quickly altered the Earth's climate.

"This episode was the last time the Earth underwent a major cooling, so understanding exactly what caused it is very important for understanding how our modern-day climate might change in the future," says Alan Condron, a physical oceanographer with the University of Massachusetts Amherst's Climate System Research Center, according to Science Daily.

There has been some debate over the years as to the path of this fresh water, though. The most commonly used hypothesis, first proposed by Wallace Broecker of Columbia University in 1989, was that the water flowed down the St. Lawrence River into the north Atlantic. Others suggested that it took a route down the Mackenzie River basin and into the Arctic Ocean. Now, Condron and research partner Peter Winsor, from the University of Alaska Fairbanks, have developed a new high-resolution ocean-ice circulation computer model that shows strong support for the latter idea.



This computer model, the most powerful so far created, runs on a supercomputer at the National Energy Research Science Computing Center in Berkeley, California. "With this higher resolution modeling, our ability to capture narrow ocean currents dramatically improves our understanding of where the fresh water may be going." said Condron and Winsor.

"The results we obtain are only possible by using a much higher computational power available with faster computers. Older models weren't powerful enough to model the different pathways because they contained too few data points to capture smaller-scale, faster-moving coastal currents." added Condron.

Condron and Winsor's simulations showed that were the waters from the Laurentide ice sheet to have flowed down the St. Lawrence, they would have entered the Atlantic Ocean waters around 3000 kilometres too far south to have disrupted the ocean circulation enough to cause the Big Freeze. However, simulations showing the water flowing into the Arctic Ocean via the Mackenzie river basin showed that the currents in the Arctic Ocean would have transported the cold, fresh waters to exactly where they were needed to cause the event the sub-polar Atlantic Ocean, off the coast of Greenland.

"Dumping water in the Arctic is a very efficient way to cool the Northern Hemisphere," says W. Richard Peltier, according to Science News. Peltier is a professor of physics at the University of Toronto, and director of UofT's Centre for Global Change Science.

Although Broecker's hypothesis had wide support, there was a lack of physical evidence along the St. Lawrence River, however there is evidence in boulders and gravel along the Mackenzie River basin that supports the idea of a massive flood around the time of the Big Freeze.

"This whole thing now hangs together beautifully," said Peltier.


"Our results are particularly relevant for how we model the melting of the Greenland and Antarctic Ice sheets now and in the future," said Condron. "It is apparent from our results that climate scientists are artificially introducing fresh water into their models over large parts of the ocean that freshwater would never have reached. In addition, our work points to the Arctic as a primary trigger for climate change. This is especially relevant considering the rapid changes that have been occurring in this region in the last 10 years."

So, once again the Climate Change computer models are proven to be, shall we say, less than accurate. Between inaccurate computer models and cherry picking data, even altering it so their computer models will give a preordained result they want, things aren't looking too good for the AGW folks.

 

[Mace Canute]

From Rise and fall of Maya civilization linked to climate change | Geekquinox - Yahoo! News Canada

Rise and fall of Maya civilization linked to climate change
By Scott Sutherland | Geekquinox Sun, 11 Nov, 2012

A Maya stucco frieze in Caracol, Belize. REUTERS/Dr. Douglas Kennett/Penn State/HandoutIn a recent study, an international group of researchers examined the timelines represented by both Mayan hieroglyphics and a stalagmite from a cave in Belize. The group found that a period of extreme weather, lasting several decades, preceded the collapse of the Maya civilization.

Stalagmites form in caves as mineral-rich water drips from stalactites hanging from the cave ceiling. The minerals in the water collect over time and form a rocky spire that reaches towards the stalactite above it. The researchers generated a 2,000 year record of rainfall using the stalagmite from the Belize cave located just over a kilometre from Uxbenka, the earliest known Mayan state in the lowlands of the country by dating oxygen isotopes every 100 micrometres along its length.

They then compared this rainfall record to carvings at several Mayan sites, using the Maya Hieroglyphic Database Project at the University of California - Davis' Native American Language Center. They found that during times of increased rainfall between 300 and 660 A.D. the Mayan culture prospered and grew, and during periods of reduced rainfall from 660 to 1000 A.D. there was greater political competition, warfare between states, social unrest and an eventual collapse of their society.

Climate Change is not something new, it has happened in the past a loooong time ago....before we (mankind) really got going on the production of CO2. Imagine that...

 

[madmax12]

Interesting articles, Mace.

Religion should be treated like sex...all aspects of it best practiced in private.

First, The One Who created sex...is totally Awesome!!!

Second, consider Global warming and evolution.
Not everyone believes in them. But, there are some who are convinced they are true.
In the interest of sparing the world from catastrophe... they preach AGW to bring about converts... hoping to save the world.
In the interest of sparing the world from religion... some preach evolution, to bring about converts... hoping for secularism.
Assuming honest belief, promoters of both, want to win the opposition to the truth.

The stand I take, is for that reason. Truth. I am interested in promoting Truth.

You can't promote Truth...privately.

Third. Secularism and all religions... are not in harmony. Existing beliefs have opposite teachings. That is a contradiction. If the world possesses individuals who seek the Truth... and want to promote Truth... these various individuals will find themselves, contradicting those around them. This creates conflict. Not peace.

If peace, and belief in private, were the ultimate goal... AGW and evolution believers would be silent. Yet, they are not. Why? They want others to believe and accept "their" truth. If we all would just stop disagreeing with them, or denying, the world would be at peace... they think.

Secularists... preach it... hard.

Anyone who believes anything, for real, that they think really matters, will proclaim it... if they care about society.

What I believe, I believe for real. I believe it matters. I care about society.

You can't proclaim Truth...privately.

 

[Loren49]

Of which you're a major contributor.

I never said it wasn't law today, I said the Constitution did not specifically separate the two as mutually exclusive, it simply disallowed the promotion or denial thereof.Those saying so are just plain wrong, were yesterday, will be tomorrow. There are many laws today "ruled constitutional", that bear little or no resemblance to the original words or meanings.

And I see you skipped responding to the fact that you and many liberals want to quote Jefferson's letter as if it were some official document actually related in time somehow to the Constitution as written, when in fact it was a personal opinion written decades later and a private communication with a friend. Typical of your ilk, though.

I am certainly a contributor of "hot air" on this subject but "major" is a bit harsh......do you own a mirror and if so do you look into it?
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Jefferson's Wall of Separation Letter - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
Thomas Jefferson was a man of deep religious conviction his conviction was that religion was a very personal matter, one which the government had no business getting involved in. He was vilified by his political opponents for his role in the passage of the 1786 Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom and for his criticism of such biblical events as the Great Flood and the theological age of the Earth. As president, he discontinued the practice started by his predecessors George Washington and John Adams of proclaiming days of fasting and thanksgiving. He was a staunch believer in the separation of church and state.
Jefferson wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802 to answer a letter from them written in October 1801. A copy of the Danbury letter is available here. The Danbury Baptists were a religious minority in Connecticut, and they complained that in their state, the religious liberties they enjoyed were not seen as immutable rights, but as privileges granted by the legislature as "favors granted." Jefferson's reply did not address their concerns about problems with state establishment of religion only of establishment on the national level. The letter contains the phrase "wall of separation between church and state," which led to the short-hand for the Establishment Clause that we use today: "Separation of church and state."

The letter was the subject of intense scrutiny by Jefferson, and he consulted a couple of New England politicians to assure that his words would not offend while still conveying his message: it was not the place of the Congress or the Executive to do anything that might be misconstrued as the establishment of religion
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Unless the Danbury Baptist Association is a friend and 1791 to 1802 is decades you are loose on the facts. It also appears there is much to support the contention that Jefferson wanted government out of the business of religion. I've copied a few of the quotes from other letters. Copying and pasting is better than making things up.
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The following site references more about 18 statements or actions by Jefferson which do not support your arguement:
Thomas Jefferson on church and state
Constitution gives no power over religion to the federal government:

Believing that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their Legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State (Letter to the Danbury Baptists, 1802).

Religion is a subject on which I have ever been most scrupulously reserved. I have considered it as a matter between every man and his Maker in which no other, and far less the public, had a right to intermeddle (letter to Robert Rush, 1813).

I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling in religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no power to prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It must rest with the States, as far as it can be in any human authority (letter to Samuel Miller, Jan. 23, 1808).

I do not believe it is for the interest of religion to invite the civil magistrate to direct its exercises, its discipline, or its doctrines; nor of the religious societies that the general government should be invested with the power of effecting any uniformity of time or matter among them. Fasting and prayer are religious exercises. The enjoining them, an act of discipline. Every religious society has a right to determine for itself the times for these exercises and the objects proper for them according to their own particular tenets; and this right can never be safer than in their own hands where the Constitution has deposited it... Every one must act according to the dictates of his own reason, and mine tells me that civil powers alone have been given to the President of the United States, and no authority to direct the religious exercises of his constituents (letter to Samuel Miller, Jan. 23, 1808).


Bill of Rights is finally ratified — History.com This Day in History — 12/15/1791
On December 15, 1791, Virginia became the 10th of 14 states to approve 10 of the 12 amendments, thus giving the Bill of Rights the two-thirds majority of state ratification necessary to make it legal

Separation of church and state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Treaty of Tripoli

Main article: Treaty of Tripoli

In 1797, the United States Senate ratified a treaty with Tripoli that stated in Article 11:


As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.[16]

According to Frank Lambert, Professor of History at Purdue University, the assurances in Article 11 were "intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. President John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers."[17]

Check out the view of John Adams:
Positive Atheism's Big List of John Adams Quotations
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I originally ignored your statement for good reason!

Loren